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2008, April 6th Chatlog

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(04/06 09:35:48) Chat.log started...
(04/06 09:35:56) blu 'nana: oops, forgot, in my changing mood to start log..
(04/06 09:36:05) Thend: Alderem, the LAST CALL thread tonight
(04/06 09:36:07) (Crier)_Nanouk: sorry for turning my back, but is is easier to see chat lines
(04/06 09:36:10) Thend: Big list of names
(04/06 09:36:20) Thend: Still only a fraction though
(04/06 09:36:31) Blade Lakem: Uru crashed on Alderem
(04/06 09:36:42) From Shimmerillion: thanks
(04/06 09:36:46) To Shimmerillion: np
(04/06 09:36:47) Altydwarber: great LC mentioned it already
(04/06 09:36:47) Thend: Does anyon think anyone would mind if I branched out, scoured for and posted, like, everyone's names in those worlds?
(04/06 09:37:00) Shimmerillion: i think that's a great idea, actually, thend
(04/06 09:37:21) (Crier)_Nanouk: yep
(04/06 09:37:30) Thend: I know, I just didn't wanna put folks' names on the web who didn't ask for it
(04/06 09:37:30) Blade Lakem: Sounds good, assuming people would want to be listed. Or do you mean people who have mentioned it?
(04/06 09:37:31) blu 'nana: i think everyone wants that ;)
(04/06 09:37:38) Shimmerillion: might be good to get permission, though
(04/06 09:37:48) Shimmerillion: i think most would give it
(04/06 09:37:51) Blade Lakem nods his head
(04/06 09:38:06) Thend: The ones who mentioned are already there, it's the others I'm wondering about. Thought maybe do it with a disclaimer, like, if you want you name taken of, etc, etc
(04/06 09:38:15) blu 'nana: was it not in the original post? it's out in the forum
(04/06 09:38:36) Thend: Yes, but there are so many more who didn't post on Who's Who
(04/06 09:38:45) blu 'nana: true
(04/06 09:38:51) Blade Lakem: I think all you can do is ping people and ask them
(04/06 09:39:10) Thend: Like I said though, experience is best, and the lists are a great start, more than enough to get going once there
(04/06 09:39:25) Thend: Yeah, maybe, lotta pings though Blade lol
(04/06 09:39:30) Blade Lakem shrugs
(04/06 09:39:39) blu 'nana: maybe another form? :)
(04/06 09:39:40) Thend: I'll sniff around lol
(04/06 09:39:49) Blade Lakem: I think tha there is no easy way to keep peopel connected. It's gonna take a lot of work in all mediums
(04/06 09:40:06) Thend: Well, in-game, SL, there's a list that will be passed out when one gets there, so that takes care of that
(04/06 09:40:06) _Narym_: This is true
(04/06 09:40:10) Shimmerillion: yeah, we could do another form if need be, but it seems like if we already have all the names ... why recollect them
(04/06 09:40:25) blu 'nana: we can list the cotacts/groups in the worlds
(04/06 09:40:41) Thend: I think other online worlds with Uruites just need to form a hub. There is close to that too
(04/06 09:40:47) Blade Lakem: brb
(04/06 09:40:49) Shimmerillion: if there is a main contact for each world, maybe we could ask that person to collect permission from everyone
(04/06 09:40:54) Thend: And GW has Guilds ad an Alliance
(04/06 09:41:01) Altydwarber: I think the best way is to tell them to keep an eye on the forum and for therest I think we have to have patience, who knows what the future brings:)
(04/06 09:41:05) Shimmerillion: hi kerryth
(04/06 09:41:09) [Relayer] Kerryth: Shorah! I'm sorry to be late.
(04/06 09:41:10) _Narym_: shorah Kerryth
(04/06 09:41:13) Thend: Hello Kerryth
(04/06 09:41:14) Shimmerillion: sok
(04/06 09:41:14) _Narym_: nah, that's cool
(04/06 09:41:17) blu 'nana: hi kerryth
(04/06 09:41:19) Altydwarber: shorah kerryth
(04/06 09:41:24) [Relayer] Kerryth: Just got home.
(04/06 09:41:31) _Narym_: Marten/Alderem will be back with us in just a mo
(04/06 09:41:36) _Narym_: speak of the devil... :P
(04/06 09:41:37) blu 'nana: welcome home ;)
(04/06 09:41:45) Altydwarber: wb
(04/06 09:41:45) Shimmerillion: wb
(04/06 09:41:47) [Relayer] Kerryth: ;)
(04/06 09:41:48) Alderem: That was interestnig. Thanks.
(04/06 09:41:51) Thend: Understood Alty, though the situation has changed a bit from past incarnations
(04/06 09:42:16) Blade Lakem: back
(04/06 09:42:23) Thend: Wb Blade
(04/06 09:42:31) Altydwarber: wb blade
(04/06 09:43:11) _Narym_: Shorah Ti'chelle
(04/06 09:43:16) Thend: Hello Ti
(04/06 09:43:21) [Relayer] Kerryth: Hi, Ti
(04/06 09:43:22) blu 'nana: hi Ti'chelle
(04/06 09:43:25) Ti'chelle: Shorah everyone,
(04/06 09:43:25) Blade Lakem: We're gonna start a chat Channel on City of Heroes for Uru people...
(04/06 09:43:27) Alderem: Shorah, Ti'chelle!
(04/06 09:43:35) Thend: That's very good Blade
(04/06 09:43:35) Blade Lakem: Shorah Ti'Chelle
(04/06 09:43:46) Alderem noticed CoH/CoV is only $20 now
(04/06 09:43:47) Altydwarber: shorah ti'chelle
(04/06 09:44:03) Blade Lakem: It's a fun game if you like action and/or superheroes
(04/06 09:44:14) Ti'chelle: Do you mind if I join in? A little late in the game.
(04/06 09:44:19) Thend: I can see that Blade
(04/06 09:44:22) Blade Lakem: we haven't really started yet
(04/06 09:44:25) _Narym_: lol
(04/06 09:44:31) Thend thinks 'So many worlds, so little time'
(04/06 09:44:41) Altydwarber: oh yes indeed thend
(04/06 09:44:57) Blade Lakem: So, we ready to have a meeting?
(04/06 09:45:06) _Narym_: Yes, I think we are
(04/06 09:45:10) Blade Lakem cheers
(04/06 09:45:11) Shimmerillion: i would like to take a picture first if that's ok ...
(04/06 09:45:16) Thend nods his head
(04/06 09:45:17) Altydwarber: yeah
(04/06 09:45:26) Shimmerillion: we could gather around the bench and get everyone that way
(04/06 09:45:28) (Crier)_Nanouk: if only Gametap people could make up their mind
(04/06 09:45:43) Thend: Oh, a picture of US, right lol
(04/06 09:45:51) Shimmerillion: i have to sit down to take it lol
(04/06 09:45:52) Error: Don't know how to '/damce'
(04/06 09:45:55) _Narym_ does a dance
(04/06 09:46:01) Shimmerillion: thend, could you scoot in please?
(04/06 09:46:18) Thend: I think the Uru Community deserves more, in a lot of ways, that what they've been getting/offered
(04/06 09:46:19) Shimmerillion: Narym, scoot to the right
(04/06 09:46:33) Blade Lakem nods his head
(04/06 09:46:34) (Crier)_Nanouk: Narym go right a bit
(04/06 09:46:38) Shimmerillion: ok everyone say cheese!
(04/06 09:46:44) _Narym_ waves hello
(04/06 09:46:44) Alderem: Cheesy!
(04/06 09:46:45) [Relayer] Kerryth: cheese
(04/06 09:46:48) Thend: Squeeee!
(04/06 09:46:48) Altydwarber: kaas
(04/06 09:46:54) Ti'chelle: Just in case some of you are wondering, I have been on the fringe of the GoMe and wanted to stay in touch.
(04/06 09:46:57) _Narym_: chicken!
(04/06 09:46:57) Alderem: Brie!
(04/06 09:46:58) blu 'nana: tsiis
(04/06 09:47:02) Shimmerillion: got it!
(04/06 09:47:05) _Narym_: camembert!
(04/06 09:47:10) Shimmerillion: thanks
(04/06 09:47:11) [Relayer] Kerryth: Me too. I've not been to a meeting in months.
(04/06 09:47:12) Blade Lakem: You are very welcome here Ti'chelle :)
(04/06 09:47:19) Ti'chelle: Thanks!
(04/06 09:47:20) Alderem: That is good to hear Ti'chelle :) I think we all hope you keep in touch with us
(04/06 09:47:22) Thend tells Ti to just act like she belongs here, works for him lol
(04/06 09:47:33) BIG thumbs up from Blade Lakem
(04/06 09:47:39) Altydwarber: lol
(04/06 09:47:50) Ti'chelle: Acch, once a Relayer always a Relayer1
(04/06 09:47:56) Alderem: :D
(04/06 09:47:59) [Relayer] Kerryth: Aw, thank you. looks good.
(04/06 09:48:11) Thend is seeing yellow
(04/06 09:48:19) Alderem: Nice picture!
(04/06 09:48:22) Thend: Cool Shimmer, thx
(04/06 09:48:24) _Narym_: its everwhere!!! argh!!!
(04/06 09:48:24) blu 'nana: wow ty
(04/06 09:48:31) Ti'chelle: This Guild Hall is so beautiful,,,,we must get it back somehow.
(04/06 09:48:33) Thend: Lol
(04/06 09:48:34) Shimmerillion: did everyone get it?
(04/06 09:48:34) [Relayer] Kerryth: Gold. It's gold.
(04/06 09:48:37) Altydwarber: haven't got one
(04/06 09:48:37) Alderem agrees :)
(04/06 09:48:39) Blade Lakem: save that one out for the arhives, Shimmer :)
(04/06 09:48:40) [Relayer] Kerryth: Yes. Thank you.
(04/06 09:48:48) _Narym_: nice pick
(04/06 09:48:53) Blade Lakem: Yeah, and the Maintainers are pink ;)
(04/06 09:48:59) Ti'chelle: Yes, got it. Thank you!
(04/06 09:49:05) Thend: Blade now be nice
(04/06 09:49:07) _Narym_: lol but next time, everyone needs to wear yellow darnit!!!!!
(04/06 09:49:10) Thend snickers anyhow
(04/06 09:49:12) Blade Lakem laugh
(04/06 09:49:15) Blade Lakem laughs
(04/06 09:49:18) [Relayer] Kerryth: Didn't have time to change. :(
(04/06 09:49:24) _Narym_: especially you, Thend :P
(04/06 09:49:25) Altydwarber: lol had no time tochange
(04/06 09:49:30) Alderem: I prefer to think of the Maintainers' color being that of delicious grapefruit.
(04/06 09:49:31) Thend shrugs
(04/06 09:49:33) [Relayer] Kerryth cheers
(04/06 09:49:35) _Narym_: Yellow is the new black, dontcha know :P
(04/06 09:49:35) Ti'chelle: Thend is in his mourning clothes
(04/06 09:49:45) [Relayer] Kerryth: Grapefruit! Love it.
(04/06 09:49:46) _Narym_: ah, fair enough. my bad
(04/06 09:49:46) Thend: You're lucky I'm in black instead of red
(04/06 09:49:46) Altydwarber: shim can ou send me one too?
(04/06 09:49:49) Shimmerillion: yes, i got a printscreen as well as a KI pic
(04/06 09:50:05) [Relayer] Kerryth: Yes, why ARE you still in black, Thend?
(04/06 09:50:07) Shimmerillion: oops, sorry, alty, there you go
(04/06 09:50:09) Alderem: Black is mysterious.
(04/06 09:50:18) Blade Lakem: Thend IS the new black.
(04/06 09:50:22) Ti'chelle laughs
(04/06 09:50:23) _Narym_: :O
(04/06 09:50:23) [Relayer] Kerryth: lol
(04/06 09:50:24) Thend: What Ti said, started with a goth party, went on from there. Seemed appropriate
(04/06 09:50:28) Shimmerillion: lol blade
(04/06 09:50:30) Thend: Lol Blade
(04/06 09:50:42) Altydwarber: still no pic. here:(
(04/06 09:50:46) _Narym_: and that's a brilliant segue into the meeting.. :P
(04/06 09:50:56) Thend: Heh heh
(04/06 09:50:56) Blade Lakem: woo!
(04/06 09:51:21) Ti'chelle: Oh and Alty, LC's announcement let me know to come here instead of the hood! Godd idea.
(04/06 09:51:33) Altydwarber: thanks
(04/06 09:51:35) Thumbs up from Blade Lakem
(04/06 09:51:35) To Alderem: Are you gonna chair?
(04/06 09:51:35) Thend: Cool
(04/06 09:51:39) Shimmerillion: is someone logging?
(04/06 09:51:43) _Narym_: me
(04/06 09:51:47) Shimmerillion: thanks
(04/06 09:51:48) [Relayer] Kerryth: yes
(04/06 09:51:54) _Narym_: but the more, the merrier :D
(04/06 09:51:56) From Alderem: Not going to chair today.
(04/06 09:51:59) Shimmerillion: true
(04/06 09:52:06) Blade Lakem: okie :) let's meet then ;) Whats on the agenda?
(04/06 09:52:13) To Alderem: so who is?
(04/06 09:52:16) Thend looks around for a bit
(04/06 09:52:40) From Alderem: You or shimmer?
(04/06 09:52:40) From Alderem: Or Blade if he likes.
(04/06 09:52:43) Shimmerillion: lynnutte's on her way

Meeting starts here

(04/06 09:52:47) Alderem: First, we figure out who is running the meeting.
(04/06 09:52:48) Blade Lakem cheers
(04/06 09:52:49) _Narym_: lol cool
(04/06 09:52:51) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 09:52:52) Thend: Has anything been discussed, Messy-wise, in the forums?
(04/06 09:52:52) Alderem cheers
(04/06 09:53:09) Shimmerillion: we've been talking about guild structure
(04/06 09:53:14) _Narym_: WEll, Blade's offered up the Myst Headlines service to the Guilds
(04/06 09:53:17) Thend: Still?! lol
(04/06 09:53:22) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 09:53:30) Blade Lakem shrugs
(04/06 09:53:30) Thend: Ah cool Blade
(04/06 09:53:34) Blade Lakem: No one has been willing to seize power so far
(04/06 09:53:36) blu 'nana claps her hands
(04/06 09:53:40) Thend: Hmm
(04/06 09:53:40) _Narym_: well, we'd like to
(04/06 09:53:46) Thend starts to laugh
(04/06 09:53:47) Shimmerillion: LOL
(04/06 09:53:49) Shimmerillion roars with laughter
(04/06 09:53:51) [Relayer] Kerryth: Seize power?
(04/06 09:54:01) _Narym_: Its the revolution
(04/06 09:54:05) Blade Lakem: Er, I mean, take on managerial responsibility
(04/06 09:54:09) (Crier)_Nanouk: powers are only for the Gods...lol
(04/06 09:54:09) _Narym_: Haven't you heard?
(04/06 09:54:10) Shimmerillion: right
(04/06 09:54:14) [Relayer] Kerryth: In Uru that means you do the work.
(04/06 09:54:19) Blade Lakem nods his head
(04/06 09:54:22) Ti'chelle: A coup?
(04/06 09:54:27) _Narym_: shorah Lyn
(04/06 09:54:32) Thend: Okay, how does future Mess stuff relate to the current situation?
(04/06 09:54:32) Shimmerillion: hey rc
(04/06 09:54:38) Thend: Hello Lynnutte
(04/06 09:54:39) Altydwarber: shorah Lyn
(04/06 09:54:42) [Relayer] Kerryth: Hi, RC
(04/06 09:54:42) Blade Lakem: Shorah Lyn!
(04/06 09:54:49) Ti'chelle: Hey Lyn
(04/06 09:54:53) Relayer Corps: hi. Sorry i'm late.
(04/06 09:54:54) blu 'nana: hi lynutte
(04/06 09:54:58) [Relayer] Kerryth: We gather around the link in spot to unnerve latecomers.
(04/06 09:55:02) Shimmerillion: Lynnutte, remind me to get your picture before we leave so I can photoshop it into the group one
(04/06 09:55:05) Relayer Corps: internet problems. I'm at Barnes and Noble now
(04/06 09:55:07) Thend: It's only by an hour Lynnutte, np
(04/06 09:55:09) Blade Lakem: So, yeah, let's talk Guild structure and nail it down
(04/06 09:55:11) Shimmerillion: lol kerryth
(04/06 09:55:27) [Relayer] Kerryth: Standard practice. ;)
(04/06 09:55:31) Shimmerillion: has everyone had a chance to read through that thread?
(04/06 09:55:31) (Crier)_Nanouk: shorahlyn sounds like a chineese word...lol
(04/06 09:55:32) _Narym_: I thought Shimmer's idea of 'chairs' was rather good
(04/06 09:55:32) Relayer Corps feels so guilty for being late
(04/06 09:55:40) [Relayer] Kerryth: I'm afraid I have not followed it.
(04/06 09:55:49) Blade Lakem: Narym, agreed
(04/06 09:55:49) Relayer Corps: i think it's good too
(04/06 09:55:49) Thend: Heck no, Shim. In fact, I avoid most threads at all costs
(04/06 09:55:57) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 09:55:57) _Narym_: Shimmer, do you want to give us a quick run down?
(04/06 09:56:12) Alderem: Threads have a nasty habit of unraveling. Don't pull on them.
(04/06 09:56:21) Relayer Corps: Lol
(04/06 09:56:27) Thend: Kinda impersonal too, IMO
(04/06 09:56:27) Shimmerillion: ok, well my idea was basically to have 1 guild master or mistress, basically a facilitator of everyone else, and four "chair" positions
(04/06 09:56:40) Blade Lakem nods his head
(04/06 09:56:47) Shimmerillion: as in academia, each chair is an elected member of a group of related peers
(04/06 09:57:03) Thend: What if one has no peers?
(04/06 09:57:08) Shimmerillion: for example, you have the "services" group, which consists of project heads from the newsletter, rel.to, the website, etc.
(04/06 09:57:15) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 09:57:22) Relayer Corps: are you saying your better than us Thend??
(04/06 09:57:27) Relayer Corps: Lol
(04/06 09:57:30) Shimmerillion: so the services group elects a leader to represent them in guild discussions
(04/06 09:57:32) _Narym_: either, that, or he's worse
(04/06 09:57:42) Thend: I said nothing of the sort. Let's stay on topic, please lol
(04/06 09:57:42) Relayer Corps: He's worse
(04/06 09:57:47) Relayer Corps: Lol sorry
(04/06 09:57:52) Ti'chelle: His peers are all secret so he has no peers
(04/06 09:58:03) Shimmerillion: the chair is not a permanent position, and can change if someone gets overloaded or other issues come up, without negative repurcussions on anyone
(04/06 09:58:03) _Narym_: you started it, Thend:P But in any case, continue shimmer
(04/06 09:58:27) Thend shrugs
(04/06 09:58:35) Blade Lakem nods his head
(04/06 09:58:50) Relayer Corps: i think it's a great idea. That way if the you know what hits the fan, someone can take the blame, or credit.
(04/06 09:58:57) blu 'nana nods her head
(04/06 09:58:58) Thend wants to ask a question...
(04/06 09:59:01) Shimmerillion: so the four committees i proposed (and these can change if need be) were: intra-guild services, affiliate organizations, extra-guild liasons, and reporters (everyone else)
(04/06 09:59:10) _Narym_: shoot thend
(04/06 09:59:16) Thend: (Ah, answered)
(04/06 09:59:16) Shimmerillion: go ahead thend
(04/06 09:59:17) Relayer Corps: Ok
(04/06 09:59:21) Shimmerillion: oh ok
(04/06 09:59:25) _Narym_: ok, anything, else Shimmer?
(04/06 09:59:39) Blade Lakem: Where would 'publicity' for the Guild's activities fall?
(04/06 09:59:51) Shimmerillion: so each group meets as a committee, and each committee leader represents them on the council, with guild master or mistress presiding
(04/06 09:59:58) [Relayer] Kerryth: Good question, Blade.
(04/06 10:00:05) Shimmerillion: that is a good question, blade
(04/06 10:00:20) Shimmerillion: my feeling is that publicity entails so many aspects that it cannot have its own group
(04/06 10:00:31) [Relayer] Kerryth: Are the committees clear cut? I see some overlap
(04/06 10:00:34) Shimmerillion: for example, the archiver might feature an event, so might the newsletter, so might the website, etc.
(04/06 10:00:34) Ti'chelle: Will one of the chairs also be Guildmaster pro tem in case the GM cannot make a meeting?
(04/06 10:00:53) Relayer Corps: pro tem?
(04/06 10:00:53) Shimmerillion: good point, tichelle. what does everyone else think
(04/06 10:01:00) Thend: Of course
(04/06 10:01:04) Relayer Corps: what is pro tem?
(04/06 10:01:10) Alderem nods his head
(04/06 10:01:11) [Relayer] Kerryth: Good idea.
(04/06 10:01:11) Blade Lakem: good idea.
(04/06 10:01:12) Altydwarber: good idea
(04/06 10:01:13) [Relayer] Kerryth: Like "acting"
(04/06 10:01:15) Ti'chelle: Like Vice Presient, but only in a temp need
(04/06 10:01:18) Shimmerillion: just in case the GM isn't there, who takes over
(04/06 10:01:21) Relayer Corps: ok
(04/06 10:01:25) Relayer Corps: good idea
(04/06 10:01:29) Alderem: Latin phrase meaning "for the time being"
(04/06 10:01:31) Thend: Second-in-command if the leader gets debilitated or called away
(04/06 10:01:31) (Crier)_Nanouk: ok
(04/06 10:01:32) Relayer Corps: ty
(04/06 10:01:38) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:01:43) [Relayer] Kerryth: So you don't waste time figuring out who's in charge in the short term
(04/06 10:01:51) Blade Lakem: Okie. so the basic structure seems ameniable to everyone here?
(04/06 10:01:52) Shimmerillion: or who's running the meeting lol
(04/06 10:01:54) [Relayer] Kerryth: You can carry on without interruption.
(04/06 10:01:59) Ti'chelle: Always has the meeting agenda just in case
(04/06 10:02:07) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:02:07) [Relayer] Kerryth: Sounds good to me.
(04/06 10:02:12) Thend can live with that. Basically, cause he's freelance
(04/06 10:02:20) Altydwarber: :)
(04/06 10:02:23) Blade Lakem: ;)
(04/06 10:02:30) Relayer Corps: you just don't want the resposibility thend. lol
(04/06 10:02:33) Blade Lakem: Any concerns?
(04/06 10:02:51) [Relayer] Kerryth: I have one concern.
(04/06 10:02:54) Shimmerillion: go ahead
(04/06 10:03:02) Relayer Corps: brb I need to find a plug for my puter. Continue with out me.
(04/06 10:03:18) Thend: Just structure in general, Blade.. Seems there would need an overarching focus in order to hold this together
(04/06 10:03:21) [Relayer] Kerryth: Some of the committees cover quite a few people. Others have fewer. It might not be easy to find a chair for the smaller categories.
(04/06 10:03:59) [Relayer] Kerryth: Like the reporters, perhaps.
(04/06 10:04:26) _Narym_: this is true
(04/06 10:04:32) [Relayer] Kerryth: Oh. No problem. Thend can cover that. lol
(04/06 10:04:39) Altydwarber laughs
(04/06 10:04:40) _Narym_: lol
(04/06 10:04:47) Shimmerillion: well, if there are no reporters, then that position is vacant
(04/06 10:04:55) _Narym_: But I think that we're also considering this as a long term structure, as well
(04/06 10:04:57) Shimmerillion: but if there is even one reporter, we need someone to be in charge
(04/06 10:04:58) [Relayer] Kerryth: Ok. That answers my concern.
(04/06 10:05:08) Thend: O.o
(04/06 10:05:21) [Relayer] Kerryth: If that one person is reluctant....
(04/06 10:05:21) Altydwarber: yes i agree
(04/06 10:05:23) _Narym_: While the Guild itself is small, its not as essential to have all 5 chairs.
(04/06 10:05:31) [Relayer] Kerryth: True
(04/06 10:05:36) blu 'nana: sorry, falling to sleep, more input from me later thiis week ;) ty & cya!
(04/06 10:05:40) blu 'nana waves goodbye
(04/06 10:05:44) Blade Lakem: There might need see ya blu
(04/06 10:05:47) Shimmerillion: i see what you're saying, kerryth. i think that will have to be a case-by-case basis
(04/06 10:05:48) Alderem: G'nite blutec
(04/06 10:05:50) _Narym_: IF they really don't want the position, we can always just have 4 chairs
(04/06 10:05:51) Thend: Okay blu, seeya later, have a good night
(04/06 10:05:52) [Relayer] Kerryth: See you later.
(04/06 10:05:54) Altydwarber: bye blu
(04/06 10:06:01) _Narym_: shorah blu
(04/06 10:06:02) blu 'nana (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute):
(04/06 10:06:08) Shimmerillion: bye blu
(04/06 10:06:08) Blade Lakem: I expect adjustments will happen as time goes on
(04/06 10:06:13) Shimmerillion: yes
(04/06 10:06:25) [Relayer] Kerryth: You're counting the Guild master/mistress as one, right?
(04/06 10:06:33) _Narym_: in the 5 chairs, yes
(04/06 10:06:39) Ti'chelle: So, the Guildmaster would be the tie breaker vote?
(04/06 10:06:44) Shimmerillion: exactly
(04/06 10:06:46) Altydwarber: but what is the difference between 5 chairs or 4 chairs
(04/06 10:06:53) Thend: Like Cate Alexander
(04/06 10:06:56) Blade Lakem shrugs
(04/06 10:07:05) _Narym_: It depends on what you anticipate the council voting on
(04/06 10:07:05) Ti'chelle snickers.
(04/06 10:07:13) Shimmerillion: 5 council members, for lack of a better term, are: GM, services chair, affiliates chair, liasons chair, reporters chair
(04/06 10:07:13) Relayer Corps: back
(04/06 10:07:17) Relayer Corps: what did I miss?
(04/06 10:07:20) Altydwarber: if there are 5 they all should be there
(04/06 10:07:29) Altydwarber: and a GM
(04/06 10:07:46) Blade Lakem: I think the exact procedural nature can be worked out, as long as we have motivated people with goals and duties. I think that's key
(04/06 10:07:46) Thend: How many chairs RC
(04/06 10:07:52) Relayer Corps: 5?
(04/06 10:07:53) _Narym_: It re
(04/06 10:07:56) (Crier)_Nanouk: and me in charge of the bathroom chair
(04/06 10:07:59) Shimmerillion: yeah, and if a new "need" comes up, we can always add another committee
(04/06 10:08:01) Relayer Corps roars with laughter
(04/06 10:08:06) Shimmerillion starts to laugh
(04/06 10:08:07) Altydwarber: lol
(04/06 10:08:13) [Relayer] Kerryth: lol
(04/06 10:08:16) Thend: You are welcome to it Nan. All in favor?
(04/06 10:08:17) _Narym_: there are four representative chairs, and the Guild Master/Mistress, Alty
(04/06 10:08:21) Relayer Corps: I think we should try and always have an odd number of chairs
(04/06 10:08:39) Relayer Corps: then we can't have ties in a vote
(04/06 10:08:40) [Relayer] Kerryth: Are the liaisons from within the GoMe or are they from the outside organizations?
(04/06 10:08:42) _Narym_: so if we have a bathroom chair, we need a comfy chair too
(04/06 10:08:44) Shimmerillion: odd number of chairs including GM, or odd number of chairs plus GM, lynnutte?
(04/06 10:08:52) _Narym_: including GM
(04/06 10:08:53) Relayer Corps: including GM
(04/06 10:08:55) [Relayer] Kerryth: Oh no! The Comfy Chair!
(04/06 10:09:00) (Crier)_Nanouk: had experience in the Air Force...lol
(04/06 10:09:04) Relayer Corps: I GET THE COMFY CHAIR!
(04/06 10:09:10) Thend says DOH!
(04/06 10:09:14) _Narym_: Now I shall poke you with The Soft Cushions!
(04/06 10:09:14) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 10:09:19) [Relayer] Kerryth: lol
(04/06 10:09:31) Ti'chelle: Must be padded then ;)
(04/06 10:09:40) Relayer Corps: just like my padded cell
(04/06 10:09:41) _Narym_: Well, all I have to say is, when I came to this meeting...
(04/06 10:09:48) _Narym_: I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition
(04/06 10:09:52) Shimmerillion: good pointkerryth, liasons can be from either the GoMe or the other organization
(04/06 10:09:53) [Relayer] Kerryth: All we get in Uru is these stone benches and the floor.
(04/06 10:09:57) (Crier)_Nanouk: the 50 chairs will be padded
(04/06 10:09:57) Thend shakes his head
(04/06 10:09:58) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 10:10:04) Blade Lakem: hehe
(04/06 10:10:06) Shimmerillion: as long as we dont need a padded pub
(04/06 10:10:18) _Narym_: No, I think we're safe in that regard
(04/06 10:10:20) Blade Lakem: Okie, so we are decided that a GM and 4 chairs, with changes to be made as need be?
(04/06 10:10:24) [Relayer] Kerryth: The reason I asked is because I can see that function overlapping with intraguild services.
(04/06 10:10:26) _Narym_: Yes
(04/06 10:10:31) Relayer Corps: yes
(04/06 10:10:41) Altydwarber: ok
(04/06 10:10:43) [Relayer] Kerryth: But not necessarily.
(04/06 10:10:44) Blade Lakem: Kerryth: I think there will be overlap. People will need to work together.
(04/06 10:10:50) (Crier)_Nanouk: aaaaagree with 5 main chairs
(04/06 10:10:50) Shimmerillion: kerryth, a liason's job is to work _with_ those doing the job, not necessarily to do it for them
(04/06 10:10:53) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:10:53) Thend: From a semi-outside perspective Blade, sounds applicable
(04/06 10:10:58) Blade Lakem: That's a good thing I think
(04/06 10:11:14) [Relayer] Kerryth: yes
(04/06 10:11:30) _Narym_: If we implement something like this, we can always tweak it to make it more efficient as we go
(04/06 10:11:35) Blade Lakem: exactly
(04/06 10:11:46) _Narym_: the core idea is the important thing as this stage
(04/06 10:11:47) Shimmerillion nods her head
(04/06 10:11:50) Relayer Corps: yes. It's not set in stone
(04/06 10:12:01) [Relayer] Kerryth: It will evolve
(04/06 10:12:05) Relayer Corps: we need to be flexible
(04/06 10:12:16) (Crier)_Nanouk: or revolve....lol
(04/06 10:12:19) Relayer Corps: be like the wind, not the rock
(04/06 10:12:19) Blade Lakem nods his head
(04/06 10:12:29) Shimmerillion: but not devolve (i hope)
(04/06 10:12:33) Blade Lakem: Well, be like a rock when it's rock time ;)
(04/06 10:12:33) Relayer Corps: that doesn't sound very D'ni like. lol
(04/06 10:12:40) [Relayer] Kerryth: Arghh! I can't read chat over that viewer screen...
(04/06 10:12:41) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 10:12:55) Relayer Corps: come stand by me then
(04/06 10:13:01) Thend wants you to come over
(04/06 10:13:03) _Narym_: So, 5 chairs, from services, Liaisons, Affiliates, Reporters and the Guild Master, elected in a peer fashion
(04/06 10:13:05) Altydwarber: that why I stand here lol
(04/06 10:13:07) [Relayer] Kerryth: Just had to turn a little.
(04/06 10:13:13) _Narym_: Are there any further questions, etc?
(04/06 10:13:32) Relayer Corps: Yeah, who falls under which category?
(04/06 10:13:39) Shimmerillion: ah yes
(04/06 10:13:42) _Narym_: From within this group?
(04/06 10:13:43) Relayer Corps: some fall under a couple
(04/06 10:13:56) Shimmerillion: liasons: gow, goma, goc, gog, cyan(yeah right)
(04/06 10:14:01) Thend: lol
(04/06 10:14:02) Shimmerillion: affiliates: you know 'em
(04/06 10:14:02) [Relayer] Kerryth: Relayers would be an affiliate group, right? (Pardon me; I've been out of the loop.)
(04/06 10:14:08) Shimmerillion: yes
(04/06 10:14:08) _Narym_: Yes, they would
(04/06 10:14:12) Relayer Corps: yes, technically
(04/06 10:14:27) Relayer Corps: but Relayers have become ineffectual at best right now
(04/06 10:14:36) Relayer Corps: I hate to say it, but it's true
(04/06 10:14:39) Blade Lakem: Let's let the Chairs figure out exactly where people fit, actually.
(04/06 10:14:40) Shimmerillion: services: newsletter, rel.to, website, feed (if it branches out from website), are there any others i'm missing?
(04/06 10:14:42) Thend: Don't have to be
(04/06 10:14:42) [Relayer] Kerryth: :(
(04/06 10:14:51) Blade Lakem: There's a niche for the Relayer's but I think it's very different now
(04/06 10:14:54) _Narym_: We can always work to alter the Relayers purpose, that's something the Guild can jelp with
(04/06 10:15:00) _Narym_: Reporters :P
(04/06 10:15:01) Relayer Corps: how can people vote for the chairs if they are not in groups alreqady?
(04/06 10:15:07) Shimmerillion: reporters are their own group
(04/06 10:15:25) Altydwarber: do you think so?
(04/06 10:15:26) Relayer Corps: soI would love to alter the relayers purpsoe, but I can't without their say
(04/06 10:15:26) (Crier)_Nanouk: relayers are more like Criers at this time...lol
(04/06 10:15:32) _Narym_: If you're a part of the Guild, you'll fall under one of those, I would think
(04/06 10:15:34) Blade Lakem: well, I think we, as the primary peers of the GoMe, should elect the initial positions now.
(04/06 10:15:35) Relayer Corps: true
(04/06 10:15:43) Relayer Corps: good idea Blake
(04/06 10:15:47) Shimmerillion: alty, well that's what i suggested initially but i guess they don't have to be
(04/06 10:15:53) [Relayer] Kerryth: Don't forget. We may not be out of the Cavern for good.
(04/06 10:16:01) _Narym_: this is also true
(04/06 10:16:07) Relayer Corps: I am so hoping Kerryth
(04/06 10:16:10) Shimmerillion: seconded
(04/06 10:16:11) _Narym_: But I think, for the time beiomng, we should act as thought we are
(04/06 10:16:16) (Crier)_Nanouk: for a few weeks, at least
(04/06 10:16:19) Relayer Corps: Letting go of the Relayers is very hard for me
(04/06 10:16:19) _Narym_: until we have something concrete
(04/06 10:16:30) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:16:35) Blade Lakem: Lyn: the Relayers have a place, I think
(04/06 10:16:39) Shimmerillion: i think relayers do have a place
(04/06 10:16:40) [Relayer] Kerryth: Yes. I can imagine some parallel activity for Relayers under the circumstances.
(04/06 10:16:46) Ti'chelle nods her head
(04/06 10:16:50) Shimmerillion: they can even connect all the different refugee camps
(04/06 10:16:56) [Relayer] Kerryth: You've got it.
(04/06 10:16:58) Blade Lakem: shimmer: good idea
(04/06 10:17:00) Relayer Corps: Good idea Shimmer!!!
(04/06 10:17:01) Thend: I defer any votes. I'm willing to work with everyone, as necessity dictates, but as far as becoming a part of the official structure, it goes against my focuses
(04/06 10:17:08) (Crier)_Nanouk: very good idea
(04/06 10:17:08) _Narym_: Relayers across the different MMO's
(04/06 10:17:15) _Narym_: Heck, they could even relay between games
(04/06 10:17:22) Thend nods his head
(04/06 10:17:27) Relayer Corps: Why didn't I think of that
(04/06 10:17:27) Shimmerillion: its true!
(04/06 10:17:28) [Relayer] Kerryth: Relayers work in real-time. That would have to be worked out some how.
(04/06 10:17:28) Blade Lakem: Thend, well, I hope we can work with you one way or ta other :)
(04/06 10:17:29) Thend: Exactly
(04/06 10:17:29) _Narym_: Keep people in GW abreast of Uruite events taking place in There, for example
(04/06 10:17:32) Relayer Corps: I will have to start contacting them
(04/06 10:17:32) Ti'chelle: Yes, let me give an example of being a relayer in the ohter worlds.
(04/06 10:17:41) Thend: I'm sure we can Blade ;)
(04/06 10:18:00) Relayer Corps: I wil,l start work on that as soon as I get home
(04/06 10:18:09) Ti'chelle: Some of us are already going in and out of the worlds so find people and remind them of events here
(04/06 10:18:14) Thend: RC, check with me in SL, I'll fill you in
(04/06 10:18:19) Blade Lakem: we are getting ahead of ourselves I think. We need chairs.
(04/06 10:18:22) Thend: And also what I know of Guid Wars
(04/06 10:18:23) Relayer Corps: I will. Thanks thend
(04/06 10:18:26) Shimmerillion: lol thx blade
(04/06 10:18:35) Altydwarber: yes
(04/06 10:18:36) _Narym_: Yes
(04/06 10:18:41) Alderem: It seems like a lot of work, to spend so much time popping in and out of games, rather than... just... playing them. Kudos to those who are willing to do it though :)
(04/06 10:18:41) Thend: Right Blade, good point
(04/06 10:18:47) [Relayer] Kerryth: Are you going to try to get these chairs in place before Thursday? What is the time line?
(04/06 10:18:48) _Narym_: We can address the Relayers at a later date
(04/06 10:18:53) Blade Lakem: Then the chairs can take all these good ideas and focus them. That's their job
(04/06 10:18:55) Relayer Corps: I have contacts in There right now, any other refugee camps we need contacts in?
(04/06 10:19:08) Shimmerillion: all of them
(04/06 10:19:10) Relayer Corps: Yes Narym we can
(04/06 10:19:11) Shimmerillion: :P
(04/06 10:19:16) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 10:19:17) _Narym_: :D
(04/06 10:19:18) Thend: Sl and GW, that's the main other two
(04/06 10:19:27) Relayer Corps: Is there something happening thursday?
(04/06 10:19:28) Blade Lakem: Honestly, I'd like to see us leave this meeting with Chairs in place3.
(04/06 10:19:33) Thend nods his head
(04/06 10:19:39) Relayer Corps: agreed
(04/06 10:19:46) (Crier)_Nanouk: lol
(04/06 10:19:48) [Relayer] Kerryth: Well, technically, it's happening Wednesday. For most of us.
(04/06 10:19:51) _Narym_: So, i guess, let's get on with it then
(04/06 10:19:56) Relayer Corps says DOH!
(04/06 10:20:00) Shimmerillion starts to laugh
(04/06 10:20:00) Alderem: Some are going to LOTRO also; I'm considering it myself.
(04/06 10:20:12) Relayer Corps: If you do, please let me know
(04/06 10:20:17) Blade Lakem: okei. GuildMaster/Mistress. Volunteers? Nominations?
(04/06 10:20:30) Alderem: Will do, Lynnutte.
(04/06 10:20:30) Alderem steps back.
(04/06 10:20:32) Shimmerillion nominates lynnutte and marten
(04/06 10:20:35) Shimmerillion: haha sorry guys
(04/06 10:20:39) _Narym_: brb
(04/06 10:20:43) (Crier)_Nanouk: Guild Master Marten
(04/06 10:20:44) Relayer Corps: I will volunteer, but would also like to nominate Shimmer
(04/06 10:20:50) Shimmerillion says DOH!
(04/06 10:20:56) Ti'chelle: I second on Lynnutte
(04/06 10:21:06) Alderem: I'll second on Shimmer then.
(04/06 10:21:25) (Crier)_Nanouk: second Marten
(04/06 10:21:25) [Relayer] Kerryth: Who is eligible to vote?
(04/06 10:21:35) Alderem: Though I think she has her hands full with the website and surface duties. :)
(04/06 10:21:40) Relayer Corps: I think the nominated should stay out of it
(04/06 10:21:41) Ti'chelle: Woops. Should I even be involved in this process?
(04/06 10:21:50) Blade Lakem: hehe :) So we have Shimmer, Marten, Lynnutte.
(04/06 10:21:56) Thend: Wht category do you fit under Ti?
(04/06 10:21:58) Relayer Corps: yes you should Ti'chelle
(04/06 10:22:01) Shimmerillion: i dunno, it will also depend on chair nominations
(04/06 10:22:07) Blade Lakem: Ti'chelle, if you want to help out, why not? ;)
(04/06 10:22:08) [Relayer] Kerryth: (I'm wondering the same, Ti'chelle. About me, that is.)
(04/06 10:22:20) Relayer Corps: Yes Kerryth! your a Relayer!
(04/06 10:22:24) Alderem: I think if you see a future working with the GoMe in any regard, you have a voice here.
(04/06 10:22:30) Shimmerillion: agreed
(04/06 10:22:33) Blade Lakem: I think if yer here, yer interested and your voice matters
(04/06 10:22:38) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:22:41) Ti'chelle: I don't know for sure Thend, but had considered getting involved with the newsletter
(04/06 10:22:49) Relayer Corps: PLEASE DO!!!!
(04/06 10:22:52) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 10:22:55) [Relayer] Kerryth: The future is still unclear to me.
(04/06 10:23:05) [Relayer] Kerryth: Future of Relayers, I mean.
(04/06 10:23:05) Relayer Corps: But you are here now Kerryth
(04/06 10:23:06) Ti'chelle: Until we also have our Cavern position once again
(04/06 10:23:08) Thend: Pick the chairs
(04/06 10:23:11) Blade Lakem: Okie. So Simmer, Marten, Lynnutte.
(04/06 10:23:20) Blade Lakem: How do we vote?
(04/06 10:23:21) [Relayer] Kerryth: The newsletter is my seconde interest.
(04/06 10:23:22) (Crier)_Nanouk: me wipes Keryth glasses
(04/06 10:23:25) Relayer Corps: should we leave?
(04/06 10:23:30) Shimmerillion: can we nominate chairs first
(04/06 10:23:30) Blade Lakem: Naw
(04/06 10:23:34) Thend: PM's work best
(04/06 10:23:37) Relayer Corps: ok
(04/06 10:23:38) Blade Lakem: naw to people leaving that is
(04/06 10:23:40) _Narym_: back
(04/06 10:23:45) Shimmerillion: and actually, we need to clarify project heads beforre nominating chairs ...
(04/06 10:23:51) Relayer Corps: wb Nayrm
(04/06 10:23:51) Thend: Central collector whom you all trust
(04/06 10:23:53) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:23:59) Blade Lakem: hey Thend, yer neutral. Wanna be the collector?
(04/06 10:24:05) Relayer Corps: Good idea
(04/06 10:24:08) [Relayer] Kerryth: Heh, I was about to say that.
(04/06 10:24:14) Ti'chelle: We all trust! /laugh
(04/06 10:24:15) Blade Lakem: Great minds ;)
(04/06 10:24:15) Thend: I was thinking of you Blade, or someone else, but okay
(04/06 10:24:23) Ti'chelle points at Thend
(04/06 10:24:27) [Relayer] Kerryth: So how does this work?
(04/06 10:24:32) Thend: So, the GM
(04/06 10:24:37) Relayer Corps: pm Thend your vote
(04/06 10:24:38) Thend: PM me with your vote
(04/06 10:24:48) Thend: What about thos not here to vote?
(04/06 10:24:50) [Relayer] Kerryth: Now?
(04/06 10:24:55) Thend: One sec
(04/06 10:25:06) Thend: IS this enough of a representation?
(04/06 10:25:16) [Relayer] Kerryth: It's a pretty small group...
(04/06 10:25:20) Shimmerillion: the only thing i might worry about is the affiliates
(04/06 10:25:21) _Narym_: well, who's missing from the regular Guild cadre?
(04/06 10:25:25) Thend: I mean, do any other interested parties need to vote?
(04/06 10:25:35) Blade Lakem: blu left. Maybe lial. that's about all I can think of
(04/06 10:25:43) Shimmerillion: most of the people who are active on the forums are here. oh yes blu and lial
(04/06 10:25:50) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:25:50) Ti'chelle: Should the vote be put on the forum,,,the GoMe
(04/06 10:25:53) Thend: Up to you if you wish to proceed
(04/06 10:26:03) Shimmerillion: or i can set up a form that emails directly to thend
(04/06 10:26:09) _Narym_: Well, can we at least work out nominees for all positions, even if we don't vote?
(04/06 10:26:12) Shimmerillion: (so i never see it)
(04/06 10:26:12) Alderem: How about we announce our voting plans to the GoMe forum, raise awareness in other groups that might want to participate (I'm not worried about "meddilng", we are here to serve all the groups)...
(04/06 10:26:12) Relayer Corps: If there vote could change the outcome, then ask them
(04/06 10:26:17) Relayer Corps: if not....
(04/06 10:26:25) [Relayer] Kerryth: I would feel more comfortable it more people were voting.
(04/06 10:26:25) _Narym_: shorah Jimbo
(04/06 10:26:25) Relayer Corps: Hi jimbo!
(04/06 10:26:38) Skydiver Jimbo: hi all
(04/06 10:26:38) [Relayer] Kerryth: Hi, Jimbo.
(04/06 10:26:40) Ti'chelle: Hey Jim!
(04/06 10:26:42) Shimmerillion: yes, let's work out nominees, especially for the chairs
(04/06 10:26:46) Altydwarber: shorah jimbo
(04/06 10:26:46) Blade Lakem: Kerryth - there arent very many more people
(04/06 10:26:47) Relayer Corps: What if we posted a thread on the forum for voting
(04/06 10:26:48) Relayer Corps: ?
(04/06 10:26:53) [Relayer] Kerryth: Oh
(04/06 10:26:57) _Narym_: yeah, at least in the Guild there aren;t
(04/06 10:26:59) Thend: Sounds good Shim
(04/06 10:27:13) Blade Lakem: Okie. let's get all nominations out there....
(04/06 10:27:32) Shimmerillion: so affiliates first. who is in charge of each affiliate? hold up, let me get a list ...
(04/06 10:27:32) _Narym_: I really can't officially represent TCT's interests, but I can IM Anthony, who can do that
(04/06 10:27:48) Relayer Corps: Good idea narym
(04/06 10:27:53) Alderem: I am asking Paradox (GOW) how they managed this process.
(04/06 10:28:00) Alderem: I will share his input in a moment.
(04/06 10:28:05) Altydwarber: I'm in CCN but I want to ask the others first before i vote
(04/06 10:28:17) Relayer Corps: good idea
(04/06 10:28:34) Ti'chelle: BRB
(04/06 10:28:36) Shimmerillion: TCT: Anthony. Relayers: Lynnutte. Criers: Lynnutte. UruRadio: Samsbase. CCN: ??
(04/06 10:28:41) Blade Lakem: hrm
(04/06 10:28:47) [Relayer] Kerryth: That's another question. Do affiliate groups vote as a group or do the individual members vote?
(04/06 10:29:11) Blade Lakem: Hrm. Is UruRadio even active anymore?
(04/06 10:29:13) Altydwarber: not sure who for CCN i can do it but not sure if the others want that
(04/06 10:29:16) Shimmerillion: i think we should open voting to all ... but then you don't want to have to worry about larger orgs "stacking the deck" ... so i dunno
(04/06 10:29:25) _Narym_: Well, the only problem is, you likely end up having all the people in any given affiliate simply voting for their rep
(04/06 10:29:31) Shimmerillion: exactly
(04/06 10:29:42) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:29:49) Thend: This sounds like the same arguments at the first GoMe meeting
(04/06 10:29:53) _Narym_: You just implement wehre the heads vote, or may 3 reps from each, and they can vote for anyone whoi's not a part of their group
(04/06 10:29:56) Relayer Corps: If you have just the heads vote, then I would get 2 votes
(04/06 10:29:56) [Relayer] Kerryth: Not necessarily
(04/06 10:29:58) Shimmerillion: alty, we are comfortable with whatever CCN is comfortable with. i know in the past CCN has been reluctant to declare a rep ...
(04/06 10:30:01) Thend: 'Arguments', defined as discussions, btw
(04/06 10:30:02) _Narym_: *which
(04/06 10:30:11) Relayer Corps: brb
(04/06 10:30:29) Blade Lakem: I think this is too complex. I think we as interested parties should start with whom we have here and then work with others
(04/06 10:30:43) Alderem: Alright, here is how the GOW did it. A few of the GOW reps speced out the positions, there was no nomination period - they simply named who they felt would be best for each position. Then the GOW members had 1 week to agree or disagree with the suggested persons in the suggested positions.
(04/06 10:31:03) _Narym_: lol that would actually work so much better, IMO
(04/06 10:31:08) [Relayer] Kerryth: So there was a slate. People approved or disapproved. I like that.
(04/06 10:31:14) Shimmerillion: i like it too
(04/06 10:31:18) Blade Lakem cheers
(04/06 10:31:21) Shimmerillion: and the meeting has been on the calendar
(04/06 10:31:27) Shimmerillion: ....
(04/06 10:31:31) Ti'chelle: Then after the Guild is established a formal voting process can be written into the charter
(04/06 10:31:46) Altydwarber: ok I had a little back up here with other CCN members and it is ok that I do it
(04/06 10:31:52) Shimmerillion: great!
(04/06 10:32:03) [Relayer] Kerryth: Could we hammer out that slate here now? Or does this need input from people and orgs not here?
(04/06 10:32:18) _Narym_: Well, most of the affiliates are represented here today
(04/06 10:32:27) Shimmerillion: so, affiliate chair nominees are: lynnutte, altydwarber, anthony, or samsbase
(04/06 10:32:37) _Narym_: I don't think sam counts
(04/06 10:32:45) _Narym_: he hasn't been active fora long time
(04/06 10:33:09) [Relayer] Kerryth: That's sad to hear.
(04/06 10:33:11) Thend: Same with KItoons
(04/06 10:33:15) Relayer Corps: back
(04/06 10:33:15) Alderem: Well, we can contact him and find out if it's temporary or if he's gone... just as we should do with J'nathus, who became a mod at the forum and then split suddenly.
(04/06 10:33:33) Relayer Corps: has the voting procedure been decided?
(04/06 10:33:40) Blade Lakem shakes his head
(04/06 10:33:44) Altydwarber shakes her head
(04/06 10:33:47) Relayer Corps: ok
(04/06 10:33:49) _Narym_: I can assure you J'nathus will not be modding
(04/06 10:33:56) Shimmerillion: i think everyone should get to vote for gm .... but who votes for the chairs?
(04/06 10:33:57) Alderem: Let the voting on the format of the voting for the voting begin.
(04/06 10:34:07) Relayer Corps roars with laughter
(04/06 10:34:27) Altydwarber: man...
(04/06 10:34:30) Altydwarber laughs
(04/06 10:34:31) Relayer Corps: If we have one vote for every group, I say kerryth votes for the relayers, not me
(04/06 10:34:42) Blade Lakem sighs
(04/06 10:34:43) [Relayer] Kerryth is a bit puzzled...
(04/06 10:34:44) Relayer Corps: That way, I will only have one vote
(04/06 10:34:44) _Narym_: well, the only thing is, there are 3 affiliate reps
(04/06 10:34:45) Ti'chelle: Ideally it would be each group, but to get things rolling..
(04/06 10:34:52) _Narym_: and if they can't vote for themselves
(04/06 10:35:03) _Narym_: Are the criers an affiliate?
(04/06 10:35:07) Relayer Corps: yes
(04/06 10:35:09) Altydwarber: yes
(04/06 10:35:09) [Relayer] Kerryth: Yes
(04/06 10:35:11) (Crier)_Nanouk: lol
(04/06 10:35:11) Shimmerillion: no, that's the point of the peer-elected process. all project heads are nominees and voters
(04/06 10:35:14) _Narym_: so do they have a rep?
(04/06 10:35:26) Relayer Corps raises her hand
(04/06 10:35:32) Relayer Corps: me
(04/06 10:35:35) _Narym_: ah, ok
(04/06 10:35:37) Relayer Corps: relayer... me
(04/06 10:35:39) _Narym_: it makes sense now
(04/06 10:35:43) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 10:35:51) Alderem: I really don't think you're going to have an issue with the affiliate reps. Already, we've pretty much got 1 rep from each group who really participates. We nominate those people, tell those affiliate groups who is nominated, and let them YEA or NAY that decision.
(04/06 10:35:53) Altydwarber: hahaha
(04/06 10:36:12) Alderem: I think in TCT's case we have 2 people.
(04/06 10:36:16) Thend: Good idea Ald, pass the buck, I like that :)
(04/06 10:36:17) Shimmerillion: i think each nominee group should elect someone from amongst themselves. and you can't vote for yourself
(04/06 10:36:19) _Narym_: We do?
(04/06 10:36:20) Altydwarber: right alderem
(04/06 10:36:24) [Relayer] Kerryth: Since the chairs are likely to rotate, all the reps would have a turn eventually.
(04/06 10:36:31) Shimmerillion: but everyone here votes for gome
(04/06 10:36:37) Shimmerillion: i mean gm lol
(04/06 10:36:37) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:36:40) [Relayer] Kerryth: ok
(04/06 10:36:53) [Relayer] Kerryth: brb. phone.
(04/06 10:37:10) _Narym_: Nanouk, what group are you a part of, BTW
(04/06 10:37:14) _Narym_: oh wait, criers
(04/06 10:37:16) _Narym_: duh
(04/06 10:37:18) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 10:37:18) _Narym_: :P
(04/06 10:37:22) Altydwarber says DOH!
(04/06 10:37:22) (Crier)_Nanouk: you guys are much too democratic...lol
(04/06 10:37:34) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 10:37:38) (Crier)_Nanouk: is a Crier...lol
(04/06 10:37:42) Blade Lakem: agreed. We are spinning our wheels
(04/06 10:37:42) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 10:37:47) _Narym_: If Zardoz was here, we'd just nominate him as Grand Poobah
(04/06 10:37:52) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:37:56) Ti'chelle laughs
(04/06 10:37:57) Relayer Corps: We need to make a decision and stick with it
(04/06 10:37:58) _Narym_: alright, so if we have 3 affiliate reps
(04/06 10:37:58) Thend: Or he'd nominate himself lol
(04/06 10:38:02) _Narym_: lets just vote for one
(04/06 10:38:13) _Narym_: is it only the affiliates who vote?
(04/06 10:38:18) Relayer Corps: How many affiliate groups are there?
(04/06 10:38:25) Shimmerillion: peer-elected would say only the affiliate heads vote
(04/06 10:38:30) Altydwarber: tct and ccn
(04/06 10:38:33) Shimmerillion: since their members got to vote for them
(04/06 10:38:36) Altydwarber: and more?
(04/06 10:38:38) _Narym_: Relayers
(04/06 10:38:40) _Narym_: Criers
(04/06 10:38:44) Altydwarber: yes
(04/06 10:38:45) _Narym_: who have the same rep
(04/06 10:38:49) Relayer Corps: that's 4 so far
(04/06 10:38:58) Shimmerillion: that's all, and ururadio
(04/06 10:38:58) _Narym_: Ki Toons is abstaining?
(04/06 10:39:06) Relayer Corps: Has Anthony been contacted yet?
(04/06 10:39:14) Thend: Yes, abstaining
(04/06 10:39:15) _Narym_: yeah, I have him on the metaphorical line
(04/06 10:39:17) Shimmerillion: i thought KI toons was freelance
(04/06 10:39:21) Thend: Yep
(04/06 10:39:21) _Narym_: well yes
(04/06 10:39:26) Thend: And Puzzlers
(04/06 10:39:28) _Narym_: which is why he's abstaining, I guess
(04/06 10:39:32) Relayer Corps: we have reps from criers and relayers. We just need TCT and CCn?
(04/06 10:39:32) Shimmerillion: :)
(04/06 10:39:34) [Relayer] Kerryth: back
(04/06 10:39:38) Thend just.. does stuff
(04/06 10:39:41) Relayer Corps: wb
(04/06 10:39:44) Shimmerillion: Alty said she could do it for CCN
(04/06 10:39:49) Altydwarber: yes
(04/06 10:39:49) [Relayer] Kerryth: What did I miss?
(04/06 10:39:50) _Narym_: As I said, I'm talking to Ant right now via MSN
(04/06 10:39:52) Relayer Corps: ok, then just TCT
(04/06 10:39:56) Shimmerillion: and Anthony is on the line for TCT
(04/06 10:39:58) Shimmerillion: so we're good
(04/06 10:40:05) [Relayer] Kerryth: Is everything all decided yet?
(04/06 10:40:06) Altydwarber: no
(04/06 10:40:08) Relayer Corps: Let's have a vote and see if the TCT vote would evwen matter
(04/06 10:40:08) _Narym_: alright
(04/06 10:40:10) (Crier)_Nanouk: is this a GoMe meeting ar an all Guilds meeting ?
(04/06 10:40:11) [Relayer] Kerryth: drat
(04/06 10:40:19) Relayer Corps: GOMe
(04/06 10:40:19) (Crier)_Nanouk: or*
(04/06 10:40:22) Shimmerillion: so those 3 people should vote for one of the other two and pm it to thend
(04/06 10:40:25) _Narym_: can you vote for yourself?
(04/06 10:40:25) Altydwarber: gome nanouk
(04/06 10:40:30) _Narym_: lol ok
(04/06 10:40:31) Shimmerillion: no voting for yourself lol
(04/06 10:40:57) Relayer Corps: Nanouk, you can vote for the criers. I will stay out of the voting
(04/06 10:41:06) (Crier)_Nanouk: you bet I will not vote for myself...lol
(04/06 10:41:11) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 10:41:31) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:41:32) Altydwarber: so again for a simple mind here
(04/06 10:41:52) Altydwarber points at her self lol
(04/06 10:41:53) Relayer Corps: What are we voting for again?
(04/06 10:41:54) Shimmerillion: alty, pm your vote for lynnutte or anthony to thend
(04/06 10:41:56) [Relayer] Kerryth: Is this for GM or affiliate chair, now.
(04/06 10:42:03) Shimmerillion: this is still affiliate chair
(04/06 10:42:06) Altydwarber: okidoki
(04/06 10:42:07) [Relayer] Kerryth: OK
(04/06 10:42:12) Relayer Corps: ok
(04/06 10:42:17) Shimmerillion: narym pm's anthony's vote for lynnutte or alty to thend
(04/06 10:42:24) _Narym_: yeah, I know
(04/06 10:42:29) Shimmerillion: lol ok
(04/06 10:42:30) Shimmerillion: :)
(04/06 10:42:33) _Narym_: I'm just explaining the process quickly to Ant
(04/06 10:42:41) Relayer Corps: kk
(04/06 10:42:51) (Crier)_Nanouk: elec four chairs and then let them decide for the GrandMaster
(04/06 10:43:28) _Narym_: I tend to think GM should be as many votes as possible, myself...
(04/06 10:43:36) Shimmerillion: i would agree
(04/06 10:43:41) Thend: Okay, I got some votes. Who is eligible to vote again?
(04/06 10:43:54) Shimmerillion: nanouk, anthony (narym), and alty is all this round
(04/06 10:44:01) Alderem: Oh, ok. Whew.
(04/06 10:44:06) Shimmerillion: unless lynnutte was voting for relayers?
(04/06 10:44:12) Relayer Corps: What about relayers?
(04/06 10:44:15) [Relayer] Kerryth: She told me to.
(04/06 10:44:17) Relayer Corps: Kerryth is
(04/06 10:44:19) Shimmerillion: ok that works
(04/06 10:44:20) [Relayer] Kerryth: So I did.
(04/06 10:44:23) Thend: Lol
(04/06 10:44:25) _Narym_: what?
(04/06 10:44:30) [Relayer] Kerryth: vote
(04/06 10:44:35) [Relayer] Kerryth: On behalf of Relayers
(04/06 10:44:35) _Narym_: I thought Lyn was doing relayers, and Nanouk criers?
(04/06 10:44:40) Relayer Corps: Kerryth is voting for relayers and nanouk for Criers
(04/06 10:44:47) [Relayer] Kerryth: Who's on first?
(04/06 10:44:56) [Relayer] Kerryth: Sorry. lol
(04/06 10:44:58) Relayer Corps: I'm staying out of it because i was nominated
(04/06 10:44:59) Thend: Wait
(04/06 10:45:04) Relayer Corps: What's on second
(04/06 10:45:10) Shimmerillion: lynnutte, everyone is nominated so it doesn't matter
(04/06 10:45:10) _Narym_: Hang on
(04/06 10:45:16) Thend: Starting over, announce the voters and the votees
(04/06 10:45:17) _Narym_: If you're nominated, you still havbe to vote
(04/06 10:45:22) Relayer Corps: that's ok, I'm still staying out of it. lol
(04/06 10:45:24) Thend: Everyoine else, no chat
(04/06 10:45:26) _Narym_: that's the point, I believe
(04/06 10:45:30) Thend: While they PM me
(04/06 10:45:34) Relayer Corps: Kerryth for Relayers, Nanouk for Criers
(04/06 10:45:45) Shimmerillion: nominees: lynnutte (relayers, criers), alty (CCN), anthony (TCT)
(04/06 10:45:59) _Narym_: and that is all for affiliates?
(04/06 10:46:15) Shimmerillion: all except ururadio
(04/06 10:46:28) _Narym_: can we not divide relayers and criers into the two, seeing as we have multiple reps from both?
(04/06 10:46:39) Thend: Who else is eligible to vote?
(04/06 10:46:43) Relayer Corps: they are 2 separate groups
(04/06 10:46:44) Shimmerillion: ok let me explain a little better first and then you guys can decide ...
(04/06 10:46:47) Thend: Besides Lynet and Nan
(04/06 10:46:53) Thend: Okay
(04/06 10:47:25) Shimmerillion: the idea is, you have a group of peers (affiliate leaders) who have to choose someone to represent them. obviously most people would want to elect themselves, but that's not allowed. the idea is f
(04/06 10:47:37) Shimmerillion: for you to elect someone else in your peer group that you respect.
(04/06 10:47:50) Shimmerillion: so actually, if we were doing this 100% peer-elected,
(04/06 10:48:01) Shimmerillion: lynnutte, alty, and anthony would each get one vote
(04/06 10:48:05) Shimmerillion: they would have to vote
(04/06 10:48:09) [Relayer] Kerryth: Ah, OK. I see.
(04/06 10:48:12) Shimmerillion: but would not be allowed to vote for themselves
(04/06 10:48:14) Relayer Corps: OH!!!
(04/06 10:48:21) Altydwarber: right
(04/06 10:48:24) Relayer Corps: ok
(04/06 10:48:43) _Narym_: yes, but my only point was, wouldn't it be fairer/better to have a rep each from criers and relayers, isntead of putting them together?
(04/06 10:48:43) Thend: Shim, you head the proceedings
(04/06 10:48:47) (Crier)_Nanouk: do it one chair at the time
(04/06 10:48:55) _Narym_: that is what we're doing, Nanouk
(04/06 10:49:00) Thend: Who votes now and for what position?
(04/06 10:49:11) Shimmerillion: narym, the idea is, lynnutte is already representing criers and relayers in the affiliate committee.
(04/06 10:49:18) Altydwarber: so i have to vote again thend?
(04/06 10:49:19) _Narym_: she is?
(04/06 10:49:20) Relayer Corps: exactly
(04/06 10:49:25) _Narym_: oh, ok then :_)
(04/06 10:49:33) _Narym_: btw, Anthony is on his way in cavern
(04/06 10:49:36) Relayer Corps: so if each group would get a vote, I would have 2
(04/06 10:49:38) Alderem: But you are electing a -single- chair position for all affiliates, from those 3 nominees, right?
(04/06 10:49:42) Thend: Voting will be redone, as soon as I find out who can vote, I don't care for what lol
(04/06 10:49:45) Ti'chelle: Okay, I have a question. What if Lynnutte is elected GM? What happens to her rep spot
(04/06 10:49:48) Shimmerillion: no, lynnutte still only gets one vote
(04/06 10:49:55) Relayer Corps: Good.
(04/06 10:49:59) Shimmerillion: tichelle, that is why i wanted to do the chairs first.
(04/06 10:50:00) Relayer Corps: I don't want more than one
(04/06 10:50:26) Shimmerillion: no one should be GM and a chair because that messes up the 5-vote thing
(04/06 10:50:31) Relayer Corps: we have 4 chairs?
(04/06 10:50:33) Ti'chelle: May I suggest we put out the vote for the GM first, then go from there?
(04/06 10:50:48) Relayer Corps: I think that is a good idea
(04/06 10:50:58) Relayer Corps: then the chairs won't get messed up
(04/06 10:51:03) Shimmerillion: if that's what everyone wants to do, that's fine
(04/06 10:51:06) Ti'chelle: The people who are not elected GM might become chairs that way
(04/06 10:51:08) Blade Lakem nods his head
(04/06 10:51:11) [Relayer] Kerryth: I'm sorry. Another phone call.
(04/06 10:51:45) Blade Lakem: GM first please
(04/06 10:51:51) Alderem: I think you can do it either way. If you wuold rather see one of the nominees for affiliate chair to instead be GM, don't vote for them as affiliate chair.
(04/06 10:51:57) Altydwarber: ok hold on, brb
(04/06 10:52:00) Relayer Corps: Shorah Anthony
(04/06 10:52:07) Alderem: You are all voting for a single chair member with this vote, from 3 nominees, right?
(04/06 10:52:18) Thend: Hello Anthony
(04/06 10:52:30) Relayer Corps: as I understand it, yes
(04/06 10:52:39) Shimmerillion: no. only lynnutte, anthony, and alty can vote. they can only vote for lynnutte, anthony, or alty
(04/06 10:52:50) Shimmerillion: but i think we are doing GM first now?
(04/06 10:52:52) Relayer Corps: I think we should
(04/06 10:53:03) (Crier)_Nanouk: am getting dizzy...lol
(04/06 10:53:08) Relayer Corps: when Kerryth gets back
(04/06 10:53:08) To Anthony [St. Pat]: it is purely the affiliate heads for the affiliate chair
(04/06 10:53:15) Shimmerillion: ok thend are you ready to receive GM votes?
(04/06 10:53:16) To Anthony [St. Pat]: which is you, Alty and Lynutte
(04/06 10:53:24) Alderem: Then yes, I think we should elect the GM first because the majority of us may be frustrated if our preferred GM is put into a chair position.
(04/06 10:53:29) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:53:31) Altydwarber: back
(04/06 10:53:40) _Narym_: hmm, the man has a point...
(04/06 10:53:50) Thend: Shim, for GM, everyone has a vote, correct?
(04/06 10:53:50) Alderem: I wasn't the first to say it :)
(04/06 10:53:53) Alderem: I'm just agreeing.
(04/06 10:53:59) Shimmerillion: thats what i would advocate, thend
(04/06 10:54:02) _Narym_: I wasn't paying attention ,then obviously
(04/06 10:54:07) Thend: Okay
(04/06 10:54:08) _Narym_: lol
(04/06 10:54:16) Shimmerillion: ok .... ready .... go ... lol
(04/06 10:54:26) Relayer Corps: I sent Thend my vote brb
(04/06 10:54:32) Thend: Let me remind you, when voting begins, no outside chat please
(04/06 10:54:43) Anthony [St. Pat]: wait
(04/06 10:54:53) _Narym_: Are we doing a GM vote now, then?
(04/06 10:55:01) Anthony [St. Pat]: TCT is still Talking
(04/06 10:55:20) From Shimmerillion: yes, GM is happening now
(04/06 10:55:22) Altydwarber: it is all confusing here
(04/06 10:55:30) Alderem: As Thend will be collecting the votes, let Thend say when to start PMing him. Anthony, does TCT have an issue with us casting votes for GM here, now?
(04/06 10:55:35) [Relayer] Kerryth: back
(04/06 10:55:45) Thend nods his head
(04/06 10:56:03) Anthony [St. Pat]: no just not this second
(04/06 10:56:06) _Narym_: so hang on
(04/06 10:56:22) _Narym_: WE're going to vote for the GM here, now, with the people who are here
(04/06 10:56:22) [Relayer] Kerryth: I'm trying to scroll back. Have we moved on to voting for GM then?
(04/06 10:56:28) [Relayer] Kerryth: Got it.
(04/06 10:56:31) Veralun: hi all
(04/06 10:56:32) [Relayer] Kerryth: Who are the nominees.
(04/06 10:56:36) Altydwarber: shorah veralun
(04/06 10:56:37) Veralun: sorry I am late
(04/06 10:56:43) Veralun: busy with video
(04/06 10:56:45) Shimmerillion: welcome veralun
(04/06 10:56:47) [Relayer] Kerryth: Shorah, Veralun
(04/06 10:56:56) Alderem: We are going to vote for the GM (GuildMaster/Mistress), here. We will then go to the chair positions.
(04/06 10:57:02) Ti'chelle: Hi Veralun
(04/06 10:57:12) Thend: Hello Veralun
(04/06 10:57:12) Relayer Corps: back
(04/06 10:57:17) Veralun: I got already updated
(04/06 10:57:21) Relayer Corps: Shorah Veralun
(04/06 10:57:21) Veralun waves hello
(04/06 10:57:22) Anthony [St. Pat]: ok we are ready now
(04/06 10:57:24) Thend: Alright, does everyone know what we're doing?
(04/06 10:57:27) Alderem: The chair position voting will be limited to those affected or 'under" that chair.
(04/06 10:57:41) Thend: One vote each, just the name of the GM you want
(04/06 10:57:47) Thend: No outside chat until I say
(04/06 10:57:54) Thend: Begin now
(04/06 10:57:59) [Relayer] Kerryth: To Thend? sorry
(04/06 10:58:03) Thend: Yes
(04/06 10:58:06) Thend: PM me
(04/06 10:58:14) To Shimmerillion: the GM can be anyone involved with the Guild?
(04/06 10:58:45) Thend: Everyone votes
(04/06 10:58:45) From Shimmerillion: well we took nominations earlier ... i am not sure if that still holds or not.
(04/06 10:58:56) To Shimmerillion: that was for the addiliate chair, wasn't it?
(04/06 10:59:02) To Shimmerillion: affiliate*
(04/06 10:59:10) From Shimmerillion: the GM nominees were me, lynnutte, and marten
(04/06 10:59:13) To Shimmerillion: oh
(04/06 10:59:16) From Shimmerillion: it didn't matter for my vote
(04/06 10:59:20) To Shimmerillion: I think everyon'es forgotten that
(04/06 10:59:26) From Shimmerillion: that's probably ok
(04/06 10:59:35) To Shimmerillion: Ant didn't know of those nominations, anyway
(04/06 10:59:52) From Shimmerillion: i think it's fine to leave the voting open
(04/06 10:59:56) To Shimmerillion: ok, cool
(04/06 11:00:09) Thend: I am contacting a few folks here, hold on
(04/06 11:00:27) To Shimmerillion: and was it two weeks in which the general populus can disagree with the results
(04/06 11:00:33) From Thend: Your vote?
(04/06 11:00:52) To Thend: Marten
(04/06 11:01:00) To Shimmerillion: woops, I forgot I could vote :P
(04/06 11:01:05) From Shimmerillion: something like that. we didn't decide for sure, just said we liked the way the gow did it
(04/06 11:01:18) From Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 11:01:22) Thend: Shim, please confirm, who is up for being voted on for GM?
(04/06 11:01:40) Relayer Corps roars with laughter
(04/06 11:01:49) Shimmerillion: the nominees collected earlier were lynnutte, marten, and shimmerillion.
(04/06 11:02:01) Thend: Okay, one sec please
(04/06 11:02:06) _Narym_: But anyone is eligible, really, aren't they?
(04/06 11:02:14) Shimmerillion: of course
(04/06 11:02:19) Anthony [St. Pat]: well normally
(04/06 11:02:27) Alderem: "write in" votes. :)
(04/06 11:02:31) Shimmerillion: yup ;)
(04/06 11:02:35) Alderem: Now, shh, for Thend, please.
(04/06 11:02:35) _Narym_: its not like we have a massive pool to select from anyway :P
(04/06 11:02:44) Anthony [St. Pat]: lol
(04/06 11:03:50) Thend: Shim, re-confirm, Write-in's or not?
(04/06 11:04:00) Shimmerillion: write-ins are fine
(04/06 11:04:05) Relayer Corps: Donald Duck
(04/06 11:04:11) Relayer Corps: oops
(04/06 11:05:01) Thend scribbles out Donald Duck
(04/06 11:05:04) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 11:05:08) Altydwarber: :)
(04/06 11:05:10) Thend: Okay, I have all the votes..
(04/06 11:05:30) Thend: I will go over again from my Log of this, but will present the votes..
(04/06 11:05:39) Relayer Corps: do you need to take your shoes off to tally them?
(04/06 11:05:49) Thend: Shim, shall I only say the one with most, or 2nd, 3rd, etc
(04/06 11:05:59) _Narym_: lol Thend is pretty good at this suspense thing, isn't he?
(04/06 11:06:04) Shimmerillion: i would say just announce the one with the most
(04/06 11:06:05) Thend squints at RC
(04/06 11:06:05) [Relayer] Kerryth: lol
(04/06 11:06:05) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 11:06:10) Anthony [St. Pat]: oh and what vote style is this
(04/06 11:06:14) Alderem: No hard feelings - just give the winner.
(04/06 11:06:17) Relayer Corps: it's killing me!
(04/06 11:06:25) Anthony [St. Pat]: plurality majority other
(04/06 11:06:36) Shimmerillion: most tallies?
(04/06 11:06:41) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 11:06:41) Shimmerillion: :P
(04/06 11:06:41) [Relayer] Kerryth: Plurality
(04/06 11:06:53) Relayer Corps: thend is busy untieing his shoes
(04/06 11:07:00) Relayer Corps: untying
(04/06 11:07:01) _Narym_: evidently
(04/06 11:07:04) Thend: Just attempting to do it right
(04/06 11:07:07) [Relayer] Kerryth throws something at RC
(04/06 11:07:08) _Narym_: :P
(04/06 11:07:09) Thend: Okay, a tie
(04/06 11:07:10) Relayer Corps: how do you spell that?
(04/06 11:07:13) (Crier)_Nanouk: do not die on me RC, I do not want your job
(04/06 11:07:15) Relayer Corps: lol sorry
(04/06 11:07:22) Relayer Corps roars with laughter
(04/06 11:07:41) Thend: It's a Tie, what do I do now?
(04/06 11:07:43) Relayer Corps: a tie?
(04/06 11:07:47) Anthony [St. Pat]: lol
(04/06 11:07:48) [Relayer] Kerryth: A runoff?
(04/06 11:07:48) _Narym_: good grief
(04/06 11:07:51) Relayer Corps: Vote between the tie
(04/06 11:07:55) Anthony [St. Pat]: revote with only the two
(04/06 11:07:56) Alderem: Runoff, unless all votes were just for those 2.
(04/06 11:07:58) Shimmerillion: wow that's interesting
(04/06 11:08:06) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 11:08:13) Relayer Corps: who is in the tie?
(04/06 11:08:15) Thend: So, announce the frontrunners?
(04/06 11:08:20) Anthony [St. Pat]: yes
(04/06 11:08:20) Shimmerillion: yes, go ahead
(04/06 11:08:22) Relayer Corps: YES!
(04/06 11:08:28) Thend: Lynet and Marten
(04/06 11:08:33) Relayer Corps falls over dead
(04/06 11:08:35) Ti'chelle cheers
(04/06 11:08:35) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 11:08:38) Shimmerillion cheers
(04/06 11:08:40) Alderem: Noo! Don't die!
(04/06 11:08:43) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 11:08:44) Altydwarber: ok that is one left
(04/06 11:08:47) Altydwarber laughs
(04/06 11:08:48) Relayer Corps: ok, I won't...yet
(04/06 11:08:50) [Relayer] Kerryth: Nanouk is worried
(04/06 11:09:02) (Crier)_Nanouk: very
(04/06 11:09:06) _Narym_: If Lyn is dead, MArten wins by default
(04/06 11:09:09) Relayer Corps: I'm not voting this time
(04/06 11:09:16) [Relayer] Kerryth: Well, that was simple. Next?
(04/06 11:09:18) Relayer Corps: I'm not dead just yet.
(04/06 11:09:23) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 11:09:23) [Relayer] Kerryth: Oops
(04/06 11:09:26) _Narym_: She's getting better :P
(04/06 11:09:29) Alderem: I'll abstain if Lynnutte abstains.
(04/06 11:09:30) Thend: Okay, one sec while I double check, but 95% certain
(04/06 11:09:50) _Narym_: yep, so everyone but Lyn and Marten votes for one or the other
(04/06 11:10:00) Relayer Corps: I am because I can't vote for myself, which means i really don't have a choice
(04/06 11:10:11) Anthony [St. Pat]: well they can vote too but its not changing anything
(04/06 11:10:18) Relayer Corps: so why vote/
(04/06 11:10:20) Relayer Corps: ?
(04/06 11:10:24) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 11:10:25) (Crier)_Nanouk: Is Thend the deciding vote....since we are eleven
(04/06 11:10:34) _Narym_: No, Thend isn't voting
(04/06 11:10:36) Ti'chelle: If Marten was here to vote it would be fair, but otherwise
(04/06 11:10:38) _Narym_: he's i,partial
(04/06 11:10:44) _Narym_: Alderem is Marten
(04/06 11:10:48) Alderem: I am here, :)
(04/06 11:10:55) Ti'chelle: Ohhh
(04/06 11:10:55) Altydwarber: :)
(04/06 11:10:59) Ti'chelle blush
(04/06 11:11:01) Relayer Corps: but Alderem can vote for himself
(04/06 11:11:05) Altydwarber: giggling
(04/06 11:11:06) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 11:11:08) _Narym_: yeah, but there's no point
(04/06 11:11:11) Relayer Corps: ok
(04/06 11:11:13) _Narym_: just both of you, don't vote!!! :D
(04/06 11:11:22) Relayer Corps: I'll shut up now
(04/06 11:11:22) _Narym_: Simplest solution
(04/06 11:11:32) Alderem: Thend will simply discount anything we PM him. Moving along. Thend, are you ready?
(04/06 11:11:33) Relayer Corps closes her lips tight
(04/06 11:11:34) Thend: It's confirmed
(04/06 11:11:47) Shimmerillion: ok, so a runoff?
(04/06 11:11:48) _Narym_: alright, Thend, are you ready to reveive run-off votes?
(04/06 11:11:48) Thend: Yes, vote on Marten and Lynet for GM
(04/06 11:11:53) Thend: Now
(04/06 11:11:55) Thend: OM me
(04/06 11:11:58) Thend: PM*
(04/06 11:12:01) To Thend: Marten
(04/06 11:13:29) Thend: Contacting a feww here now
(04/06 11:14:23) Thend: RC and Alderem are not eligible to vote, as I figured out lol. Tallying now
(04/06 11:14:53) Altydwarber grbs the drums......
(04/06 11:15:13) _Narym_ eats his ice cream.
(04/06 11:15:24) Relayer Corps starts beating on the drum
(04/06 11:15:45) Shimmerillion taps her foot
(04/06 11:16:07) Relayer Corps stops beating the drum and TRIES to be good. lol
(04/06 11:16:07) (Crier)_Nanouk: we should have invited a Bahro in case of a tie
(04/06 11:16:07) [Relayer] Kerryth meditates
(04/06 11:16:07) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 11:16:09) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 11:16:20) _Narym_: Lol the one who isn't eaten by a Bahro wins
(04/06 11:16:22) Shimmerillion: whoever the bahro doesnt eat or steal wins
(04/06 11:16:26) Shimmerillion: lol jinx
(04/06 11:16:29) _Narym_: NO!
(04/06 11:16:30) Altydwarber: lol
(04/06 11:16:31) _Narym_: :(
(04/06 11:16:32) Anthony [St. Pat]: if there is another tie I say we go witrh anarchy
(04/06 11:16:37) Shimmerillion: LOL
(04/06 11:16:46) [Relayer] Kerryth looks around nervously for the bahro...
(04/06 11:16:46) Relayer Corps: I like anarchy
(04/06 11:16:50) Relayer Corps: goes well with chaos
(04/06 11:16:52) Alderem: If there is another tie and Thend hasn't voted, I say we let him break the tie, and he doesn't have to tell us.
(04/06 11:17:00) Shimmerillion: yeah i agree
(04/06 11:17:00) Relayer Corps: agreed
(04/06 11:17:00) _Narym_: lol
(04/06 11:17:06) [Relayer] Kerryth: sounds good
(04/06 11:17:06) Relayer Corps: no matter what Thend says
(04/06 11:17:07) Ti'chelle: Ohhh the pressure
(04/06 11:17:11) Anthony [St. Pat]: No anarchy
(04/06 11:17:18) Thend: It's confirmed absolutely..
(04/06 11:17:20) _Narym_: so, he doesn't tell us there was a tie at all, you mean?
(04/06 11:17:25) Relayer Corps: ?
(04/06 11:17:29) _Narym_: *sharp intake of breath*
(04/06 11:17:35) [Relayer] Kerryth: Yes.....?
(04/06 11:17:35) Altydwarber can/t stand it anymore
(04/06 11:17:38) Relayer Corps closes her eyes
(04/06 11:17:40) Thend: And, btw, well done on the second round, you all did great voting, went very smoothly :)
(04/06 11:17:44) _Narym_: lol
(04/06 11:17:48) Shimmerillion: practice makes perfect
(04/06 11:17:51) [Relayer] Kerryth: Go, us!
(04/06 11:17:53) _Narym_: Thend, stop taking pleasure in our pain
(04/06 11:18:03) _Narym_: juse tyell us already :P
(04/06 11:18:04) Thend: Marten is the new, I mean first GM of GoMe
(04/06 11:18:09) _Narym_ claps his hands
(04/06 11:18:15) Relayer Corps cheers
(04/06 11:18:15) Altydwarber cheers
(04/06 11:18:15) [Relayer] Kerryth claps her hands
(04/06 11:18:15) Ti'chelle claps her hands
(04/06 11:18:16) Relayer Corps claps her hands
(04/06 11:18:18) Altydwarber claps her hands
(04/06 11:18:21) Thend: Congrats, Mart-man
(04/06 11:18:21) Alderem: *embarassed* Um, thank you!
(04/06 11:18:23) Veralun: congratulations marten
(04/06 11:18:23) Alderem bows
(04/06 11:18:24) [Relayer] Kerryth: Congratulations, Marten!
(04/06 11:18:24) Shimmerillion cheers
(04/06 11:18:32) Relayer Corps: Congrats marten!
(04/06 11:18:35) Shimmerillion: congrats!
(04/06 11:18:36) Thend: I'll say it was very close
(04/06 11:18:36) Altydwarber: congratulations GM marten
(04/06 11:18:36) _Narym_: Now go stand on the imager and make a speech :)
(04/06 11:18:53) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 11:18:54) Alderem: I've not written one! :)
(04/06 11:18:54) Altydwarber: yeah... speech
(04/06 11:18:55) Shimmerillion: so how many months did this take us? .... lol
(04/06 11:19:04) Blade Lakem: Congrats!
(04/06 11:19:05) (Crier)_Nanouk: Bravo User friendly Smatman
(04/06 11:19:06) _Narym_: shh :P
(04/06 11:19:09) Relayer Corps: So, Marten is the new Grand high Poobah Guild master!
(04/06 11:19:11) Thend: Yeah, Marten is bad at thinking up things to say, give him a break
(04/06 11:19:27) Altydwarber runs off to the little girls room now
(04/06 11:19:27) Alderem: I don't think we did bad by waiting. If anything, making a decision like this at a time like this, ensures that the people involved are those with their hearts in the right place.
(04/06 11:19:27) Thend: ;)
(04/06 11:19:36) Ti'chelle: He can make a video speech for us.
(04/06 11:19:39) Shimmerillion: yeah, i was just kidding ;)
(04/06 11:19:41) Relayer Corps: I agree
(04/06 11:19:45) Blade Lakem: Hehe :)
(04/06 11:19:46) [Relayer] Kerryth: That was a nice speech.
(04/06 11:19:48) (Crier)_Nanouk: The best bathroom chair is ready for Marten...lol
(04/06 11:19:54) [Relayer] Kerryth: short
(04/06 11:19:54) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 11:19:54) Veralun: that is for sure marten
(04/06 11:20:00) Ti'chelle cheers
(04/06 11:20:01) Thend claps his hands
(04/06 11:20:04) _Narym_: lol
(04/06 11:20:05) Blade Lakem claps his hands
(04/06 11:20:20) _Narym_: are we going to move on to the other chairs now?
(04/06 11:20:26) Shimmerillion: i hope so coz i'm hungry
(04/06 11:20:28) Blade Lakem: please :
(04/06 11:20:28) Alderem: When Alty returns, you can continue into the Affiliate Chair voting, and I believe that you now have some more people to help vote in that.
(04/06 11:20:39) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 11:20:48) (Crier)_Nanouk: brb
(04/06 11:20:53) Relayer Corps: so we have 4 chairs to vote on?
(04/06 11:21:02) Blade Lakem: we want to do another Chair while we are waiting?
(04/06 11:21:02) _Narym_: so its the same people who are nominees for the affiliates as before?
(04/06 11:21:19) _Narym_: actually, Blade, that's probably a good idea
(04/06 11:21:23) [Relayer] Kerryth: We could go ahead with that.
(04/06 11:21:24) Thend: Just let me know who is eligible to vote in each category
(04/06 11:21:34) Relayer Corps: Me, Alty, and Anthony?
(04/06 11:21:47) Shimmerillion: well the services group would currently stand: marten, me, lynnutte, and lial - but lial's not here
(04/06 11:21:48) _Narym_: We could Lisions on Services
(04/06 11:22:03) _Narym_: can we contact Lial out of cavern?
(04/06 11:22:12) Altydwarber: I'm back
(04/06 11:22:15) _Narym_: Marten's ineligble, now, isn't he?
(04/06 11:22:16) (Crier)_Nanouk: back
(04/06 11:22:30) Relayer Corps: Yes he is
(04/06 11:22:32) Blade Lakem: what are the services and who's in charge?
(04/06 11:22:33) Shimmerillion: ineligible for the position
(04/06 11:22:42) _Narym_: Actually, would Blade count as well?
(04/06 11:22:48) _Narym_: Myst Headlines?
(04/06 11:23:03) Shimmerillion: oh yes that's right. i was looking at the list on the web, but it doesn't include myst headlines yet
(04/06 11:23:07) _Narym_: I think we'd decided we would use it, we just hadn't worked out the technical stuff
(04/06 11:23:28) Alderem nods his head
(04/06 11:23:32) Shimmerillion: so: newsletter - lynnutte, website - me, headlines - blade, calendar - lial. marten for rel.to is ineligible.
(04/06 11:24:05) Thend: But Marten can vote still
(04/06 11:24:07) _Narym_: any others?
(04/06 11:24:12) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 11:24:31) Shimmerillion: yes marten can still vote. that's all i can think of - are there any more i've left out?
(04/06 11:24:45) Thend: If Lial's vote is going to count, then he will have to contact me later, if the count necessitates it?
(04/06 11:24:56) Relayer Corps: She will
(04/06 11:25:03) Thend: Sorry, she
(04/06 11:25:05) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 11:25:10) Thend shrugs
(04/06 11:25:18) _Narym_: I can't really think of anything else...
(04/06 11:25:20) Shimmerillion: no one can vote for his/herself
(04/06 11:25:26) Thend: Okay, are we ready to vote then?
(04/06 11:25:30) Thend nods his head
(04/06 11:25:32) Blade Lakem nods his head
(04/06 11:25:33) _Narym_: Let's start tjhe vote
(04/06 11:25:40) Altydwarber: hold on for what do we vote now
(04/06 11:25:47) Relayer Corps: a chair
(04/06 11:25:48) Thend: Lynet, Marten?
(04/06 11:25:52) Relayer Corps: What?
(04/06 11:25:54) _Narym_: only Lyn, Marten, shimmer, Blade and Lial can vote
(04/06 11:25:59) Shimmerillion: wait - are we doing "peer voting" or "everyone voting"
(04/06 11:26:04) _Narym_: Marten is not eligible as a candidate
(04/06 11:26:08) Veralun: ah ok
(04/06 11:26:09) _Narym_: IT's the peer system, isn't it?
(04/06 11:26:15) Shimmerillion: thats what i thought, yes
(04/06 11:26:16) Thend: Lynet, Marten, Blade and Shim can vote
(04/06 11:26:20) Thend: Only
(04/06 11:26:22) Relayer Corps: so, me, shimmer, blade, and lial
(04/06 11:26:28) _Narym_: yes
(04/06 11:26:32) _Narym_: Only those people are vote
(04/06 11:26:38) Thend: And Marten
(04/06 11:26:44) Shimmerillion: yes
(04/06 11:26:45) _Narym_: MArten, Lyn, Shimmer, Blade and Lial
(04/06 11:26:51) _Narym_: but you can't vote for Marten
(04/06 11:26:56) Thend: Vote now
(04/06 11:28:24) Thend: Okay, votes are in...
(04/06 11:28:35) Relayer Corps: good. there were only 4. lol
(04/06 11:28:38) Thend: But I will need Lial's vote to proceed
(04/06 11:28:43) Relayer Corps: ok
(04/06 11:28:44) Alderem: Agreed.
(04/06 11:28:54) Shimmerillion: cool
(04/06 11:28:55) Thend: And that may necessitate a second vote between you all
(04/06 11:29:00) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 11:29:03) Alderem: Alright. :)
(04/06 11:29:11) Blade Lakem: who's going to contact Lial?
(04/06 11:29:11) Shimmerillion: well since there are only 5 we could even do the second vote over a PM in the forum
(04/06 11:29:24) Relayer Corps: I can try to
(04/06 11:29:29) Relayer Corps: just a sec
(04/06 11:30:06) _Narym_: ok
(04/06 11:30:10) Blade Lakem: you have Lial on IM?
(04/06 11:30:16) _Narym_: If we can get her now via IM, that would be awesome
(04/06 11:30:31) Thend: Yeah, would save hassle
(04/06 11:30:50) (Crier)_Nanouk: passes around the KoolAid, lemon like my shirt...lol
(04/06 11:31:02) Alderem: Alright. I'd like to confirm that my vote is not needed for any of the remaining positions to be elected today?
(04/06 11:31:16) _Narym_: um...
(04/06 11:31:18) Shimmerillion: unless there is a runoff
(04/06 11:31:29) Altydwarber: lol yes
(04/06 11:31:35) Blade Lakem: who are the 'liaisons'?
(04/06 11:31:46) _Narym_: Liaison, Marten
(04/06 11:31:47) Blade Lakem: and who votes for Reporters chair?
(04/06 11:31:47) _Narym_: you are one
(04/06 11:31:54) _Narym_: :P
(04/06 11:31:59) Shimmerillion: that is a good question. should it just be guild liasons, or all 4 listed on the site?
(04/06 11:32:01) Thend: Shim, confirm, in case of a tie in any chair, does Marten have deciding vote, or does there need to be a second vote?
(04/06 11:32:01) Alderem: I'll have to negotiate it later if needed then. I'm being pressured to go and get dinner at the moment.
(04/06 11:32:05) _Narym_: all, I think
(04/06 11:32:09) Shimmerillion: reporters may have to wait till we have reporters
(04/06 11:32:19) (Crier)_Nanouk: me liaison for Beyond Uru
(04/06 11:32:25) Shimmerillion: should be second vote in this instance
(04/06 11:32:27) Alderem: I don't think I should be making a deciding vote unless a group absolutely cannot determine it among themselves.
(04/06 11:32:29) Shimmerillion: since there is not an even number of voters
(04/06 11:32:30) _Narym_: I think we just continue with runoffs
(04/06 11:32:30) Thend: Understood Shim, thank you
(04/06 11:32:54) _Narym_: yeah, you can probably go, Grandmaster Marten :P
(04/06 11:32:57) Alderem: Right. Continue with runoffs. If you cannot decide it with runoffs... um... we can always flip a coin or something. :)
(04/06 11:33:02) Shimmerillion: farewell grand master
(04/06 11:33:03) Relayer Corps: Back. Message sent. What are we voting on now and do i need to vote?
(04/06 11:33:05) _Narym_: Just don't get too fat on the fruits of success :P
(04/06 11:33:14) Thend: GM Marten, you can do whatever you like lol
(04/06 11:33:14) Shimmerillion bows
(04/06 11:33:17) Relayer Corps: Bye Marten!
(04/06 11:33:23) _Narym_ bows
(04/06 11:33:26) Thend: You are poobah
(04/06 11:33:26) Ti'chelle: Go in peace GM
(04/06 11:33:27) [Relayer] Kerryth: See you later, Marten.
(04/06 11:33:28) Alderem: I wish that I could stay through the rest of the meeting. I will check for the chat log as soon as I'm back. Thank you everyone!
(04/06 11:33:29) Altydwarber: bye bye GM marten
(04/06 11:33:29) Ti'chelle kneels down...
(04/06 11:33:37) Alderem waves hello
(04/06 11:33:37) Veralun: CU Marten
(04/06 11:33:37) Thend: Seeya later Marten :)
(04/06 11:33:37) Alderem waves goodbye
(04/06 11:33:40) Relayer Corps: Bye Alderem
(04/06 11:33:42) Shimmerillion: bye
(04/06 11:33:54) (Crier)_Nanouk: oops somebody put CrasyGlue on Marten's chair...lol
(04/06 11:34:02) Thend: I suggest voting on next chair
(04/06 11:34:05) _Narym_: can we maybe we can continue with another chair?
(04/06 11:34:10) _Narym_: lol beaten to it :P
(04/06 11:34:13) Altydwarber: lol
(04/06 11:34:14) Thend: ;)
(04/06 11:34:16) Shimmerillion: liason voters and nominees are: Nanouk, Szark, Kerryth
(04/06 11:34:16) Relayer Corps: I didn't realize Alderem was Marten
(04/06 11:34:18) Relayer Corps says DOH!
(04/06 11:34:27) Shimmerillion: oh oops Marten should have voted for liasons since he is gow liason
(04/06 11:34:30) Thend: What's with that, huh, RC? lol
(04/06 11:34:40) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 11:34:43) To Alderem: lol marten
(04/06 11:35:02) To Alderem: were you gonna vote for liaisons?
(04/06 11:35:07) Relayer Corps: well, we can send him a message and he can votwe later
(04/06 11:35:09) Thend: Is Marten still in Uru?
(04/06 11:35:17) _Narym_: I've just pmed him
(04/06 11:35:19) _Narym_: He might reply
(04/06 11:35:20) Relayer Corps: ok
(04/06 11:35:21) Thend: Okay
(04/06 11:35:34) Thend: Shim, moce to another chair, please
(04/06 11:35:38) Thend: move*
(04/06 11:35:39) _Narym_: nah, it must have been too late
(04/06 11:35:46) Thend nods his head
(04/06 11:35:48) [Relayer] Kerryth: Alderem is off line
(04/06 11:35:55) Shimmerillion: are we waiting for someone for affiliates?
(04/06 11:35:57) _Narym_: we can get that another time
(04/06 11:36:03) _Narym_: no
(04/06 11:36:11) Shimmerillion: affiliate nominees: lynnutte, alty, anthony
(04/06 11:36:14) _Narym_: Alty, Anthony and Lyn are all here
(04/06 11:36:16) _Narym_: do that vote now
(04/06 11:36:24) [Relayer] Kerryth: Go ahead with that one, then.
(04/06 11:36:32) Relayer Corps: Am I going to be needed any more? My time at Barnes and Noble is almost up and I need to head home soon.
(04/06 11:36:37) Relayer Corps: That's a yes then.
(04/06 11:36:41) _Narym_: lol
(04/06 11:36:52) Thend: Vote now
(04/06 11:36:59) Veralun: all?
(04/06 11:37:04) _Narym_: no, just those 3
(04/06 11:37:05) Shimmerillion: no, only those three
(04/06 11:37:10) Veralun: ok
(04/06 11:37:10) Shimmerillion: :)
(04/06 11:37:14) Thend: Just Alty, Anthony, and RC
(04/06 11:37:23) Shimmerillion: ah, narym, we must have matching minds
(04/06 11:37:31) To Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 11:37:33) To Shimmerillion: we must do
(04/06 11:37:34) Relayer Corps: and we can't vote for ourselves. darn it. lol
(04/06 11:37:50) From Shimmerillion: i just realized i didn't send you a cavern couture. do you still want one? i can do it real fast tonight
(04/06 11:37:53) [Relayer] Kerryth: I'm being called away, I'm afraid.
(04/06 11:37:57) To Shimmerillion: yeah, go for it
(04/06 11:38:01) Relayer Corps: Bye Kerryth!
(04/06 11:38:03) From Shimmerillion: ok cool
(04/06 11:38:08) Altydwarber: bye kerryth
(04/06 11:38:12) [Relayer] Kerryth: I have to go off line for a while. See you later.
(04/06 11:38:13) Shimmerillion: bye kerryth!
(04/06 11:38:14) Ti'chelle: Bye Kerryth, see you later.
(04/06 11:38:15) To Shimmerillion: Jeff said he'd get me a PiM, but he hasn't sent it yet
(04/06 11:38:15) [Relayer] Kerryth waves goodbye
(04/06 11:38:21) Thend: Seeya Kerryth
(04/06 11:38:23) To Shimmerillion: So much content is being delayed again :(
(04/06 11:38:25) Relayer Corps: what do we do if there is a three way tie?
(04/06 11:38:32) Altydwarber: he he
(04/06 11:38:35) Anthony [St. Pat]: give up
(04/06 11:38:39) _Narym_: then we all cry
(04/06 11:38:39) Shimmerillion: er ... somebody change their vote
(04/06 11:38:43) Relayer Corps: Thend gets to vote!
(04/06 11:38:48) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 11:38:51) _Narym_: lol I'd pay that
(04/06 11:38:57) Relayer Corps: or we wait for the GM
(04/06 11:38:57) Relayer Corps: ?
(04/06 11:39:13) Relayer Corps: Hi wtchywmn
(04/06 11:39:14) Altydwarber: shorah wtchy
(04/06 11:39:18) wtchywmn: hello
(04/06 11:39:18) wtchywmn: :)
(04/06 11:39:19) Thend: Okay, what's all this talking about?
(04/06 11:39:21) Shimmerillion: lets wait and see. maybe it wont be necessary to worry about it
(04/06 11:39:37) _Narym_: we could always increase the number of reps from each affiliate, and make it that they can't vote for anyone from their org
(04/06 11:39:39) Relayer Corps: I want to see Thend vote on SOMETHING for once
(04/06 11:39:47) Altydwarber: lol
(04/06 11:39:49) _Narym_: the odds of not having a tie would increase
(04/06 11:39:54) Shimmerillion: true
(04/06 11:40:05) Relayer Corps: is the verdict in yet?
(04/06 11:40:07) Anthony [St. Pat]: lets see how the vote goes
(04/06 11:40:16) _Narym_: woops, sorry Thend
(04/06 11:40:17) Thend: Yes. Lynet for Affiliates Chair
(04/06 11:40:24) Shimmerillion claps her hands
(04/06 11:40:27) _Narym_ claps his hands
(04/06 11:40:28) Altydwarber claps her hands
(04/06 11:40:28) Thend claps his hands
(04/06 11:40:31) Ti'chelle claps her hands
(04/06 11:40:31) Relayer Corps bows
(04/06 11:40:35) Relayer Corps: ty
(04/06 11:40:36) (Crier)_Nanouk claps his hands
(04/06 11:40:36) Shimmerillion: congrats!
(04/06 11:40:37) _Narym_: Speech! Speech!
(04/06 11:40:43) Blade Lakem: congrats!
(04/06 11:40:46) Relayer Corps: Speech? Me?
(04/06 11:40:52) _Narym_: yes :_
(04/06 11:40:54) _Narym_: :)
(04/06 11:40:56) Relayer Corps: How much time do we have?
(04/06 11:40:57) Shimmerillion roars with laughter
(04/06 11:41:02) _Narym_: 10 seconds :_)
(04/06 11:41:05) Blade Lakem wants to ask a question...
(04/06 11:41:10) _Narym_: yes Blade?
(04/06 11:41:14) Shimmerillion: none, im still hungry
(04/06 11:41:15) (Crier)_Nanouk: you like to speak all the time...lol
(04/06 11:41:20) Relayer Corps: Ok, Am I still needed for voting? I need to go if not.
(04/06 11:41:33) Shimmerillion: you're good, lynnutte
(04/06 11:41:35) Relayer Corps: You have no idea Nanouk
(04/06 11:41:39) Blade Lakem: how does Lyn having that chair affect the Services vote?
(04/06 11:41:43) Relayer Corps: Ok ty. See everyone later.
(04/06 11:41:43) Ti'chelle: See you later Lynn
(04/06 11:41:45) Shimmerillion: she can't be services
(04/06 11:41:54) Shimmerillion: well, let me backtrack
(04/06 11:41:57) Shimmerillion: she can't be both
(04/06 11:41:57) Relayer Corps: I can still voite, but not get the chair
(04/06 11:41:59) Thend: Seeya RC
(04/06 11:41:59) (Crier)_Nanouk: bye Lynn
(04/06 11:42:12) Blade Lakem: Ah she could decide which she wants?
(04/06 11:42:21) Shimmerillion: yes, that would be fair
(04/06 11:42:42) Relayer Corps: Which chair did I get?
(04/06 11:42:49) _Narym_: Affiliate
(04/06 11:43:05) Relayer Corps: And what does that job entail?
(04/06 11:43:17) Altydwarber: to be online 24/7
(04/06 11:43:17) Shimmerillion: it's the same job for each committee -
(04/06 11:43:18) _Narym_: just representing all the affiliates
(04/06 11:43:20) Veralun: serving coffe
(04/06 11:43:25) (Crier)_Nanouk: lots of work...lol
(04/06 11:43:26) Shimmerillion: representing your peers at the council (or whatever we call it)
(04/06 11:43:28) _Narym_: and presumably to vote on any matters that need voting
(04/06 11:43:45) Relayer Corps: I'll take the chair I was voted into. Someone else can take the next one because the candidates are different.
(04/06 11:43:46) _Narym_: but anyway
(04/06 11:43:50) Anthony [St. Pat]: You need not worry TCT wont be loading you much
(04/06 11:43:55) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 11:43:55) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 11:44:03) Thend: Okay, we need to move along
(04/06 11:44:10) Thend: Shim, next chair?
(04/06 11:44:13) _Narym_: Thend, if Lyn is no longer eligible for the Services chair, dopes that resolve the vote?
(04/06 11:44:14) Relayer Corps: I will see everyone later. bye
(04/06 11:44:22) _Narym_: *does
(04/06 11:44:24) Shimmerillion: bye
(04/06 11:44:24) Thend: Seeya and congrats RC
(04/06 11:44:35) Altydwarber: bye bye lynutte
(04/06 11:44:45) Blade Lakem: bye lyn
(04/06 11:44:46) Altydwarber: yes congrats:)
(04/06 11:44:48) Shimmerillion: thend, does lynutte's affiliate chairship affect the services chairship?
(04/06 11:44:56) Shimmerillion: if so, that's one more taken care of
(04/06 11:45:00) _Narym_: I already asked that :)
(04/06 11:45:08) Shimmerillion: again with the jinxes
(04/06 11:45:13) Shimmerillion: !
(04/06 11:45:21) _Narym_: and then the only other chair would be reporters, which is more or less not applicable at this stage
(04/06 11:45:25) Thend: Shim, I shouldn't be asked, but I'd say she at least still gets to vote
(04/06 11:45:40) _Narym_: she does get to vote, but she can't win it
(04/06 11:45:46) Altydwarber: yes
(04/06 11:45:54) Blade Lakem: well, whomever voted for her would need to revote, no?
(04/06 11:46:02) _Narym_: hmm, this is true
(04/06 11:46:03) Thend: I guess, I only heard discussed GM not being able to hold two positions
(04/06 11:46:04) Shimmerillion: oh, i see, blade
(04/06 11:46:25) Altydwarber: the same goes for the chairs
(04/06 11:46:26) _Narym_: that's the same for all chairs, not just GM, Thend
(04/06 11:46:42) Thend: Okay, then yes, it might
(04/06 11:46:52) _Narym_: darn it
(04/06 11:46:56) Shimmerillion: do we still need to let lial vote though
(04/06 11:46:58) _Narym_: We''re missing people though...
(04/06 11:47:02) _Narym_: yes, we do
(04/06 11:47:04) Altydwarber: you can't st on 2 chairs on the same time
(04/06 11:47:08) Shimmerillion: right
(04/06 11:47:15) Thend: Is this confirmed, one cannot hold two chairs? And if so, then how would the order of the elections affect things?
(04/06 11:47:27) _Narym_: so we should just redo the vote outside the cavern later
(04/06 11:47:33) _Narym_: for Services
(04/06 11:47:36) Shimmerillion: since lynnutte chose the affiliates chair, that takes her out of contention for the services chair
(04/06 11:47:42) Shimmerillion: we should redo the services vote later
(04/06 11:47:45) Thend: Like, if Services was first voted on, it'd affect Affiliates process
(04/06 11:47:57) _Narym_: Well, we did GM first, cause that was the most important
(04/06 11:48:09) Thend: That's right Anrym
(04/06 11:48:09) Shimmerillion: right. it shouldn't be a problem with any other committees
(04/06 11:48:11) _Narym_: But I don't know if you can value the other positions in that way...
(04/06 11:48:14) Thend: Narym*
(04/06 11:48:28) Shimmerillion: and since lynnutte actively chose the affiliates chair herself, that solves the ranking issue
(04/06 11:48:37) Altydwarber: right
(04/06 11:48:42) Thend: Okay, if that is agreed upon
(04/06 11:48:48) _Narym_: yep, sounds good
(04/06 11:48:52) Veralun: agreed
(04/06 11:48:54) Shimmerillion: so redo the services vote
(04/06 11:48:57) (Crier)_Nanouk: ok
(04/06 11:48:58) _Narym_: so we redo the Services vote at a later date?
(04/06 11:49:03) _Narym_: cause we're missing voters now
(04/06 11:49:09) Shimmerillion: liasons are szark, nanouk, kerryth, and marten (vote only)
(04/06 11:49:25) Shimmerillion: yeah, i have to leave anyway but i think narym has a good hold on how it works ;)
(04/06 11:49:31) _Narym_: lol
(04/06 11:49:34) Shimmerillion: thanks for your impartial help, thend!
(04/06 11:49:37) _Narym_: so we're going to do Liaisons now?
(04/06 11:49:40) Shimmerillion: i'll see everyone later
(04/06 11:49:46) Blade Lakem: I was afk for a minute. What'd I miss?
(04/06 11:49:50) Altydwarber: bye shim
(04/06 11:49:52) _Narym_: with Martens vote to be added in later
(04/06 11:50:00) Thend: Okay, Services votes will be thrown out, and revoted
(04/06 11:50:02) _Narym_: um, I don't know
(04/06 11:50:12) _Narym_: yes, I think so
(04/06 11:50:15) Blade Lakem: For liaisons, we'd need Szark, no?
(04/06 11:50:22) (Crier)_Nanouk: ok for a later vote
(04/06 11:50:23) _Narym_: Oh darn, he's not here, is he....
(04/06 11:50:24) Veralun: yes
(04/06 11:50:26) Thend: I think so, from the results
(04/06 11:50:41) Thend: Probably Blade, yes
(04/06 11:50:45) _Narym_: well, we probably should leave that one too then, if we're missing 50% of the voting group
(04/06 11:50:57) Thend: Okay, what's the last actegory?
(04/06 11:51:11) _Narym_: Reporters, which is basically the miscellaneous group
(04/06 11:51:31) Thend: Persons being voted upon?
(04/06 11:51:32) Blade Lakem: There are no 'reporters' yet.
(04/06 11:51:40) Thend: And able to vote?
(04/06 11:51:40) Thend: Ah
(04/06 11:51:49) Blade Lakem: I think that's a 'to be determined'
(04/06 11:51:58) _Narym_: So are we agreed to defer Reporter voting to a later date?
(04/06 11:52:08) Altydwarber: yes
(04/06 11:52:08) (Crier)_Nanouk: agtee
(04/06 11:52:11) Blade Lakem: sure
(04/06 11:52:16) _Narym_: ok
(04/06 11:52:17) (Crier)_Nanouk: agree*
(04/06 11:52:24) _Narym_: I think one or two other things need to be sorted
(04/06 11:52:24) Thend: Okay, well this is how it stands...
(04/06 11:52:30) Thend: GM is Marten
(04/06 11:52:38) Thend: Lynet is Affiliates CHair
(04/06 11:52:50) Thend: Services votes to be entirely re-voted upon
(04/06 11:52:57) Thend: Liasons to be voted upon
(04/06 11:53:04) Thend: And Reporters up in air
(04/06 11:53:06) _Narym_: lol
(04/06 11:53:11) Thend: That's it, your ball now ;)
(04/06 11:53:15) Blade Lakem: wooo!
(04/06 11:53:17) Altydwarber claps her hands
(04/06 11:53:18) _Narym_: it took forever just to get those two votes :P
(04/06 11:53:21) Veralun: good one
(04/06 11:53:22) Thend: Well done folks
(04/06 11:53:30) Altydwarber: well done thend
(04/06 11:53:34) _Narym_: Thanks to Thend for hus generous help
(04/06 11:53:37) (Crier)_Nanouk: Thanks Thend
(04/06 11:53:38) _Narym_ claps his hands
(04/06 11:53:38) Veralun: thank you all
(04/06 11:53:46) _Narym_: Now, one other thing
(04/06 11:53:47) Ti'chelle claps her hands
(04/06 11:53:50) Veralun: well I am off
(04/06 11:53:50) Thend: Yeah, np :)
(04/06 11:53:55) Thend: Yes Narym?
(04/06 11:53:56) Veralun: CU all laters
(04/06 11:54:00) _Narym_: The way this sytem was going to work was, we vote for stuff now
(04/06 11:54:02) Altydwarber: bye veralun
(04/06 11:54:02) Ti'chelle: Nite Veralun
(04/06 11:54:05) Thend: Seeya Veralun
(04/06 11:54:08) Veralun waves hello
(04/06 11:54:11) _Narym_: and then place the results in a public forum for public perusal
(04/06 11:54:15) Altydwarber waves goodbye
(04/06 11:54:23) (Crier)_Nanouk: nite Veralun
(04/06 11:54:29) _Narym_: There would then be a cool down period for people to voice disapproval befoe the votes stuck
(04/06 11:55:07) _Narym_: Now, I realise we don't have everyoner here, but I think we need to sort this, and we have enough people to reach a consensus
(04/06 11:55:18) _Narym_: How long do we want this period to be. Two weeks?
(04/06 11:55:25) Blade Lakem: A week max
(04/06 11:55:31) Thend nods his head
(04/06 11:55:33) Altydwarber: yes
(04/06 11:55:34) _Narym_: Sounds good
(04/06 11:55:36) (Crier)_Nanouk: If hey had cared, they would have been here today...lol
(04/06 11:55:40) Anthony [St. Pat]: One Month
(04/06 11:55:41) Blade Lakem nods his head
(04/06 11:55:50) Thend doesn't really have a say, that was just an opinion nod
(04/06 11:55:51) Altydwarber: yes I agree no need for waiting
(04/06 11:56:05) _Narym_: Anthony says a month
(04/06 11:56:08) Blade Lakem: I think a month is too long.
(04/06 11:56:17) Altydwarber: that is much to long
(04/06 11:56:19) _Narym_: Can we have a compromise, maybe?
(04/06 11:56:43) (Crier)_Nanouk: two weeks...lol
(04/06 11:56:53) Anthony [St. Pat]: TCT needs the ablity to discuss this and it can't happen with our forums down
(04/06 11:56:53) Ti'chelle: I think that things need to get rolling. It can always be changed at alter date after the Guild is established and working
(04/06 11:56:53) Altydwarber: I think people are glad that thereare chairs now and don't reject it
(04/06 11:57:14) _Narym_: We can place a thread on the GoMe forum
(04/06 11:57:21) (Crier)_Nanouk: agree qith Alty
(04/06 11:57:26) _Narym_: Most active TCTers have Guild access
(04/06 11:57:30) Thend wants to ask a question...
(04/06 11:57:30) (Crier)_Nanouk: with*
(04/06 11:57:37) Altydwarber: yes?
(04/06 11:57:40) _Narym_: we can put it in an non-registration required area
(04/06 11:57:45) _Narym_: Yes Thend, your question?
(04/06 11:57:50) (Crier)_Nanouk: go Thend
(04/06 11:58:16) Thend: Just a point that will be brought up. What is the term, and is there any limits to be re-elected?
(04/06 11:58:26) _Narym_: Yes, I was going to come to that
(04/06 11:58:33) Thend nods his head
(04/06 11:58:56) _Narym_: I personally feel that the chairs should not allow for adjacent terms
(04/06 11:59:01) _Narym_: ie you can't have two in a row
(04/06 11:59:07) _Narym_: but that's just me
(04/06 11:59:09) _Narym_: thoughts?
(04/06 11:59:22) (Crier)_Nanouk: one year term
(04/06 11:59:41) Altydwarber: yes i think that is a good term
(04/06 11:59:49) (Crier)_Nanouk: for the first run,
(04/06 12:00:00) Thend: Personally, I've never seen anything wrong with rollover terms. If anyone wants change, then they vote that way, and if things are running smoothly, why change it?
(04/06 12:00:24) (Crier)_Nanouk: to be reviewed after one year
(04/06 12:00:29) Thend: Just an opinion
(04/06 12:00:47) To Anthony [St. Pat]: two weeks is sufficient, I think. We can get in contact with the main TCT people, and we can post something on the home page redirecting to the appropriate part of the GoMe forums
(04/06 12:00:53) _Narym_: anyone else?
(04/06 12:01:12) (Crier)_Nanouk: or sooner if a chair is left vacant
(04/06 12:01:19) Ti'chelle: Yes, I see no reason to limit to just one term of one year, maybe two or so.
(04/06 12:01:38) Thend: Ti, a lot can change in a year
(04/06 12:01:39) _Narym_: are we looking at a one year term?
(04/06 12:01:55) (Crier)_Nanouk: me vote yes
(04/06 12:01:59) Altydwarber: yes i think that that is the best way
(04/06 12:02:03) _Narym_: I reckon we should be looking at a shorter one, mysefl
(04/06 12:02:17) Anthony [St. Pat]: Well I have to go need to get back to repairs
(04/06 12:02:17) _Narym_: And then we can allow for multiple terms
(04/06 12:02:18) Ti'chelle: I'm sorry, I miss worded my statement, yes, I see now.
(04/06 12:02:24) Altydwarber: and if it all goes smoothly they can be revoted
(04/06 12:03:00) _Narym_: well, we're loosing people, so I don't think we're going to come to a consensus on that
(04/06 12:03:14) (Crier)_Nanouk: if someone sbmit a sbstancial petition, we could revote
(04/06 12:03:39) _Narym_: Can we for now work on a 2 week cooldown for votes?
(04/06 12:03:49) _Narym_: Term length will need more discussion, l;ikely on the forums
(04/06 12:04:13) (Crier)_Nanouk: ok for 2 weeks cool down
(04/06 12:04:24) Altydwarber: ok fine by me
(04/06 12:04:40) Ti'chelle: Is there a next meeting planned for after the shut-down?
(04/06 12:04:52) Altydwarber: no
(04/06 12:04:54) _Narym_: well, not one in cavern
(04/06 12:04:59) (Crier)_Nanouk: have not seen one yet
(04/06 12:05:02) Ti'chelle: Ahhh thanks Alty
(04/06 12:05:09) _Narym_: if an Until Uru arrangement starts up, we''ll arrange one ASAP
(04/06 12:05:16) Ti'chelle: well,,,hmmm I guess so.
(04/06 12:05:17) Thend: You are all welcome to hold meeting at the Explorer Community Center in Second Life
(04/06 12:05:19) Ti'chelle: haha
(04/06 12:05:22) _Narym_: if not, we'll probably try to do these things via IM, or IRC or something
(04/06 12:05:24) Altydwarber: i would say in two weeks on the guild of messengers forum
(04/06 12:05:28) _Narym_: or yes, via other MMOs
(04/06 12:05:32) Thend: Or I'm sure There can accomodate you, as well, if you wish
(04/06 12:05:41) _Narym_: Yeah, I'll handle summaries and minutes and forum posts
(04/06 12:06:01) _Narym_: yep, that's cool.
(04/06 12:06:06) _Narym_: Are there any other questions/comments?
(04/06 12:06:17) Thend wants to ask a question...
(04/06 12:06:18) Altydwarber: not for me
(04/06 12:06:22) _Narym_: Thend, yes?>
(04/06 12:06:47) (Crier)_Nanouk: no qqqqqqqquestions
(04/06 12:06:57) Thend: Would just suggest after you have the voting, etc out of the way, begin immediatley to establish a clear focus, especially in these times
(04/06 12:07:05) _Narym_: yes, definitely
(04/06 12:07:08) Thend: It will hold things together
(04/06 12:07:12) (Crier)_Nanouk: I am getting tired...lol
(04/06 12:07:16) Altydwarber: yes agree
(04/06 12:07:26) _Narym_: We're trying to get a whole lot of news feeds and stuff online going, to spread news
(04/06 12:07:28) Thend: That's it from me. Thanks for allowing me to participate
(04/06 12:07:36) Ti'chelle: Well, thank you for accepting me back into the fold, wish I had said that earlier haha
(04/06 12:07:37) Altydwarber: yes me too nanouk it is here 03.10 now
(04/06 12:07:40) (Crier)_Nanouk: will try to find Thend in SL
(04/06 12:07:43) _Narym_: We're also going to look at A RElayer Corps rework to help connect other MMOs
(04/06 12:07:50) _Narym_: and a bunch of other stuff for a later date :D
(04/06 12:07:54) Thend: Cool. I will contact you all if anything comes up on my end, please feel free to do the same with me
(04/06 12:07:55) (Crier)_Nanouk: nect week
(04/06 12:08:08) _Narym_: anyways, if that is all, I will now officially close this meeting
(04/06 12:08:09) Thend: (Thend Destiny in SL, Thend in There)
(04/06 12:08:10) Altydwarber: ok thanks thend
(04/06 12:08:15) Thend nods his head
(04/06 12:08:15) _Narym_: Thanks all for coming
(04/06 12:08:23) _Narym_: and yeah, Thend, keep in touch
(04/06 12:08:24) (Crier)_Nanouk: welcome
(04/06 12:08:35) Thend: Seya all later. Take care
(04/06 12:08:43) _Narym_: shorah
(04/06 12:08:48) Altydwarber: well goodnight all see you later
(04/06 12:08:51) _Narym_: bye
(04/06 12:08:57) _Narym_: I'm heading off too
(04/06 12:08:57) Ti'chelle: Nite all
(04/06 12:09:04) _Narym_: Take care, all
(04/06 12:09:06) (Crier)_Nanouk: start a SL thread in GoMe forums...lol
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